8mm Max bullets
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JWFilips
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Josh,
While I do not have the moulds I have shot both in my GEW98. All will chamber but you got to seat them way into the case. I only shoot them with light loads so that has been no problem for me!
The Karabinier for one is near 50% below case neck! With 10 grains of Unique no need to care ...& at 50 yds it rips a big hole with 10 shots!
Now if you are planing on elk at 200 yds with slow powder & high speed You may have to work around any pressure issues ( but still doubt there would be any)
Jim
While I do not have the moulds I have shot both in my GEW98. All will chamber but you got to seat them way into the case. I only shoot them with light loads so that has been no problem for me!
The Karabinier for one is near 50% below case neck! With 10 grains of Unique no need to care ...& at 50 yds it rips a big hole with 10 shots!
Now if you are planing on elk at 200 yds with slow powder & high speed You may have to work around any pressure issues ( but still doubt there would be any)
Jim
JWFilips
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You may be better off with the NOE 326331 242gr. RN
Even though it is long It just seats to the bottom of the neck in my rifle I would rather a FP for hunting
I believe NOE lists the long nose section at .316" I think Ben had a photo somewhere here when he mic'd his cast
Jim
Even though it is long It just seats to the bottom of the neck in my rifle I would rather a FP for hunting
I believe NOE lists the long nose section at .316" I think Ben had a photo somewhere here when he mic'd his cast
Jim
Jim,
I think this may be what you are referencing, Maybe this will be a help ? ?
http://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/8-x-57-mm-plain-base.415/
I think this may be what you are referencing, Maybe this will be a help ? ?
http://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/8-x-57-mm-plain-base.415/
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JWFilips
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Josh,
I have some Lee Max here to test I can give you some numbers on those if you like ( But I think you will still have the fat nose problem....they too need to be seated deep in the case)
How about the NOE 326471 215Gr. FN 2 cavity GC? It appears to be in the Loverine style 215 grains is not shabby At full house loads that is still a lot of energy at 200-300Yds
Jim
I have some Lee Max here to test I can give you some numbers on those if you like ( But I think you will still have the fat nose problem....they too need to be seated deep in the case)
How about the NOE 326471 215Gr. FN 2 cavity GC? It appears to be in the Loverine style 215 grains is not shabby At full house loads that is still a lot of energy at 200-300Yds
Jim
Josh
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That is on my short list, as in very short short list. I love the 323471 and Ben was kind enough to supply me with a batch a while back. I am debating on a 323471 clone or a max style hunter. I guess I was hoping to get the cheap route and find a $19 mould from midsouth that would fill the bill.
Here is Ben's bullets in my M48 getting ready for launch.
And what it does compared to the Lee 329-205, (323471 on the right)
Here is Ben's bullets in my M48 getting ready for launch.
And what it does compared to the Lee 329-205, (323471 on the right)
Uber7mm
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Josh,
I agree with Jim regarding the Lee 8mm Karabiner bullet. I've read on other sites, that the Karabiner and Maximum were designed to breathe new life into military rifles with shot out throats. The huge melplate would make the Karabiner an awesome deer slayer, but that bullet needs to be seated way down the neck (about 2.772") in order to get the cartridge to chamber. Even then, there's not a guaranteed cycle function every time. Also, when the Karabiner is seated to chamber from the magazine, the bullet nose isn't close to the rifling, so there's a jump to the rifling during ignition.
The other option is to seat the bullet so that the nose touches the lands, say 2.836". However, then the cartridge leaves the magazine and the melplate smacks the end of the barrel instead of chambering. Presumably, for a shot out throat, one would be limited to a single shot loading.
The Mauser 98 rifle was designed for a pointy bullet to help track the cartridge into the chamber, (or a round nose at the minimum). The original Lyman/Ideal 323471, is the mold to cherish. If you already own that own, then your ahead of the game, IMHO.
I agree with Jim regarding the Lee 8mm Karabiner bullet. I've read on other sites, that the Karabiner and Maximum were designed to breathe new life into military rifles with shot out throats. The huge melplate would make the Karabiner an awesome deer slayer, but that bullet needs to be seated way down the neck (about 2.772") in order to get the cartridge to chamber. Even then, there's not a guaranteed cycle function every time. Also, when the Karabiner is seated to chamber from the magazine, the bullet nose isn't close to the rifling, so there's a jump to the rifling during ignition.
The other option is to seat the bullet so that the nose touches the lands, say 2.836". However, then the cartridge leaves the magazine and the melplate smacks the end of the barrel instead of chambering. Presumably, for a shot out throat, one would be limited to a single shot loading.
The Mauser 98 rifle was designed for a pointy bullet to help track the cartridge into the chamber, (or a round nose at the minimum). The original Lyman/Ideal 323471, is the mold to cherish. If you already own that own, then your ahead of the game, IMHO.
JWFilips
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Uber7mm,
Well spoken. In my GEW98 (European worked for the Turkish market) The Karabiner is set to .2.80" COL in a non crimped & flared case neck.
This size will feed from the magazine in my rifle.
Bolt close is tight so I know the bullet is being set back a bit more ( but that is where I always develop my loads ...which are quite light)
Jim
Well spoken. In my GEW98 (European worked for the Turkish market) The Karabiner is set to .2.80" COL in a non crimped & flared case neck.
This size will feed from the magazine in my rifle.
Bolt close is tight so I know the bullet is being set back a bit more ( but that is where I always develop my loads ...which are quite light)
Jim