A Message From Federal, CCI, Speer And Remington President Jason Vanderbrink On Ammo Demand
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Jim,
During most of my range sessions I see at least one incident of a shooter handling his gun in an unsafe manner, or not knowing how to clear his failure-to-function AR.
I'm gladdened to see new California shooters, but some of them scare me.
JWFilips
Well-Known Member
462,
Same here. Recently My buddy and I encountered a new shooter on our pistol range! We tried to fill him in the best we could as we were about to leave. Lucky he was the only one on the line then........ absolutely no Idea how to shoot.
Before we left we were throwing the bull by our cars and happen to notice him looking back at us after his first 2 shots. We decided to go back to the line and help him....Well blood everywhere on the concrete ...he got caught with the slide on his 2nd shot!....ripped his thumb pretty bad with a slde bite!
Helped him medically then helped him shooting wise. He did not have any idea how to hold a pistol especially and auto!
Gave him about 45 min crash course and we left him! Then saw him the next day ...he had all his fingers so that was good!
Gave him about another 1hr's course and got him on the right track!
Hard to say what could have happened if we did no intervene !
Same here. Recently My buddy and I encountered a new shooter on our pistol range! We tried to fill him in the best we could as we were about to leave. Lucky he was the only one on the line then........ absolutely no Idea how to shoot.
Before we left we were throwing the bull by our cars and happen to notice him looking back at us after his first 2 shots. We decided to go back to the line and help him....Well blood everywhere on the concrete ...he got caught with the slide on his 2nd shot!....ripped his thumb pretty bad with a slde bite!
Helped him medically then helped him shooting wise. He did not have any idea how to hold a pistol especially and auto!
Gave him about 45 min crash course and we left him! Then saw him the next day ...he had all his fingers so that was good!
Gave him about another 1hr's course and got him on the right track!
Hard to say what could have happened if we did no intervene !
Bret4207
Northern NY Dangerous extremist...???
He's not wrong......
L Ross
Well-Known Member
Ooooh, that's harsh.
We're not in the old days of paper catalogs, order forms, and checks and money orders to purchase ammo. Ammo production is still a thin market. The manufacturers are not wanting to invest for a product that will see demand slump two months into a new congress and/or administration. Remember early 2017? These manufacturers have to think of their bottom line over the intermediate and long term.
He also has another point: hate mail does not help. Especially if you did not buy when Remington 125 grain .357 brass jacketed hollowpoints were fifty cents a round nine to eighteen months ago, and did nothing to tool up to load.
He also has another point: hate mail does not help. Especially if you did not buy when Remington 125 grain .357 brass jacketed hollowpoints were fifty cents a round nine to eighteen months ago, and did nothing to tool up to load.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
It is a much more complex question than just increased demand. The "Just-in-time" inventory practices aggravate the situation significantly, and the product stream is neither wide nor deep even in the best of times and slowest of demands. Most of us here are not new to these hobby fields, and have learned over the years that componentry and ammo have lean times (like now) and fat times, and that fat times are the times to purchase your supplies. Don't feed the flippers and strippers.
358156 hp
Well-Known Member
But totally true. I'm due to reup this year. I'm considering it. My dues wouldn't buy WLP a decent tie, so I'm feeling less than motivated right now.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
I belong to NRA, but I don't think membership means much at my level. I do belong to CRPA, and contribute quarterly to that group. They actually DO SOMETHING, unlike NRA. When you consider that 1 in 8 NRA members is a Californian, the silence of NRA in the face of what occurs to gun rights in this worker's paradise is a travesty. This is probably too political, and if so no worries if it gets excised.
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Since "Freedom Week" I've been checking CRPA's web-site weekly. It does have its hands full . . .
fiver
Well-Known Member
yes but they are at least trying,,,,, in the right direction.
back to the video.
look at what they are producing, I know how ammo making works and that tooling costs a few bucks.
but new machines ain't needed, and tooling wears out anyway.
how much would it set them back to not produce 180gr. 30-06 hunting ammo and kick another machine or two over to 9mm production?
[yeah I know that includes case/bullet making equipment too]
how long would it take to recoup those costs right now?
so you have a set or two of totally paid for 5 times over tooling sitting on a shelf for another 5 years,, I see no money loss in that proposition.
I could care less about how much 9mm they make, or don't make, I'm not buying any either way.
a company that remains inflexible is losing more money than one that responds to market fluctuations.
back to the video.
look at what they are producing, I know how ammo making works and that tooling costs a few bucks.
but new machines ain't needed, and tooling wears out anyway.
how much would it set them back to not produce 180gr. 30-06 hunting ammo and kick another machine or two over to 9mm production?
[yeah I know that includes case/bullet making equipment too]
how long would it take to recoup those costs right now?
so you have a set or two of totally paid for 5 times over tooling sitting on a shelf for another 5 years,, I see no money loss in that proposition.
I could care less about how much 9mm they make, or don't make, I'm not buying any either way.
a company that remains inflexible is losing more money than one that responds to market fluctuations.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Lamar--I don't think the ammo makers think in terms of "Right now" ammo needs--regardless of market conditions. They have years and years of sales records covering all of the calibers they ride herd on, and they see no reason to vary production rates other than to follow their Five Year Forecast, just like the old Soviet Union did. THAT is their response to fluctuations--"It all averages out eventually."
First priority--military contracts. Way down the priorities list (but still finishes 2nd Place)--Law enforcement contracts, which are to a great extent State contracts that multiple agencies participate in due to BIG price breaks. Way farther down the list is commercial/end user priorities, which has the highest profit margin but is a minority share of what gets sold. Last in line is us folks that assemble our own ammo. Primers dry up first, and return to retailer shelves last.
First priority--military contracts. Way down the priorities list (but still finishes 2nd Place)--Law enforcement contracts, which are to a great extent State contracts that multiple agencies participate in due to BIG price breaks. Way farther down the list is commercial/end user priorities, which has the highest profit margin but is a minority share of what gets sold. Last in line is us folks that assemble our own ammo. Primers dry up first, and return to retailer shelves last.
