Aging Eyes!

LRB605

New Member
Hello everyone...been a while since I was here at the site. I began here getting info about Ben's Liquid Lube which I still use. But that isn't the question/statement I wanted to post here. My right eye is developing a cataract. When I look down my open iron sight I see the sight but a shadow (best way to describe it) on top of the sight. I read some where about a "diopter lens" . Anyone else read about diopter lens? I guess my question is ...any ideas? .....just grin and bear it till it is bad enough to have it fixed? I recently had a friendly match with a shooting buddy. We shot Mosin Nagant's ..cast bullets... 75yrds....rest and off hand...the results were great for him but not for me. Looking forward to comments. Thanks in advance
 
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Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Went to the eye doctor a couple weeks ago. Doc told me that my cataracts are at about 60%............he also said we don't do anything with them yet. Unless, they become a problem. I turned 68, in July.

I made the switch to red dot sights or conventional scopes, on my hunting firearms, years ago. Mostly, because of the low light advantages. No problems seeing the sights on my handguns that are not scoped. Don't have any rifles/carbines that aren't scoped.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Because of my bifocal corrected vision I bought Lyman's Hawkeye diopter gizmo (discontinued a year of two ago) that attaches to the right eyeglass lens, and it dramatically improved the front sight's image. I think the Merit brand gizmo is still available.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I've been looking for a Merit for some time, they aren't made anymore. There will be 3 or 4 a year on Ebay. Same for the Lyman Hawkeye. There is another gizmo that I ran across- https://www.eyepalusa.com

Haven't tried that one, but it's not super expensive.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Does the diopter/aperture gizmo (thanks for not letting that word vanish, Bret) help with cataract-induced issues or just with our fading ability to focus?
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Gizmo was me, Ian, and used for a lack of a better word, because I was called out, once, for using diopter to describe the Lyman Hawkeye.

Haven't got to the cataract stage, so I'm no help there. Just thought I'd mention the Hawkeye thingie, as a possible aid.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Oops, didn't look far enough up, thank you both! I think "aperture" may be slightly more correct, and "gizmo" definitely a safe bet.
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
The Merit definitely does not help since my cataract surgery. My problem shooting since the surgery is seeing both sights and target. It's a corrective lens for one or the other but definitely not both at the same time.

Bret, I think I have an old Merit around here someplace. If you want it and if I can find it it's yours.

LR, I used the Champion shooting glasses for some time up until cataract surgery. The Champion is eye glasses with a lens over one eye only. You mount your prescription distance lens in it and then interchangeable diopter lens in front of it. It's a great system, it brings in the target and the diopter lens takes away from the target until the sights are clear. My problem after surgery was that I needed such a strong diopter to even see the gun had sights the target was completely gone. It was target or sights, sadly not both. Before the Champion I used the Merit which does help sharpen both target and sights.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Been down that road, and still traveling it, and the news isn't good. A cataract covers the lens and distorts the light until no light goes through. But each is different. Mine are building up from the edges, so vision is good right in the middle. My wife's one eye was in the middle, so she could only see around the edges. Some are spotty. The Hawkeye helps if you can place it so the light isn't trying to go through the occluded tissue.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Rick has the answer for after surgery. For an extra $2000 over Medicare and insurance, I can have a variable lens put in just like my normal glasses. I'm saving my money now.
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
I'm glad I've had cataract surgery in both eyes a couple years ago. I will see that Dr next month for check up. He said something last year about using a laser to clear the scum/film off my lens every few years. He said it was a low intensity laser used on the front of the eye, not the high power one used by my other eye Dr on the retina. He says it only takes a couple minutes and doesn't hurt. Might be time, starting to seem a little darker at night when I drive. My articial lenses give me distant vison w/o needing glasses, but I wear trifocals to adjust for midrange and close up focusing. The few times I've gone shooting since then it seeemed as if I could just about find a spot where I could see the sights clearly and the target clear enough.
 

LRB605

New Member
Thanks everyone....a lot to think about. Going to see the eye doctor sometime in Dec. Thanks again!
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Rick, if you run across it, shoot me a PM and we'll cut a deal, and thanks!

I can see distance just fine, more or less, it's just the stuff arms length on in that is a killer.
 

Hawk

Well-Known Member
Rick has the answer for after surgery. For an extra $2000 over Medicare and insurance, I can have a variable lens put in just like my normal glasses. I'm saving my money now.

My wife just had cataract surgery and the "symphony" lens implanted in her right eye for an extra $3,500 over medicare.
Suppose to be like a bifocal and give her good distance and reading.
Complete failure! Distance is now 20/40 in that eye and reading is non existent!
I asked the surgeon if this was a new type lens and he said it had been on the market for at least 15 years.
Hope your works out better.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Wow! Yours's is the first failure I have heard about. My pension fund will give me extra $ over Medicare, so I only track how much is out of pocket.
 

Ian

Notorious member
There are A ophthalmologists and D (and even F-) ophthalmologists. Shop around, ask previous "patients" who have been "practiced on" and get their opinions. Your eyes are forever so choose carefully who monkeys with them.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Those A through F grades apply to other eye docs, as well. The optometrist I saw time before last missed a torn retina, as did the ophthalmologist he referred me to (to investigate a new massive floater), but the retina specialist he referred me to saw the tear and immediately zapped it. His course of action is to "treat you as I would my mother", which I'm comfortable with, though I don't know what kind of relationship they had . . .
 

Outpost75

Active Member
This is a long read, but I hope educational. I will be 72 later this month. I've corrective surgery for cataracts and SLT laser for glaucoma in both eyes. I can read The Wall Street Journal without corrective lenses, and the sights on my carry gun and M1 Garand are sharp without corrective lenses. My prescription glasses provide some close-up correction for precision shop work and a bit of distance correction, but the corrective lens restriction on my driver's license was removed after my latest surgery. I no longer maintain a Commercial Driver's license since I retired. I keep a spare pair of glasses in each vehicle, in my GHB and I have industrial-grade safety glasses with side guards for use in the shop and for shooting.

The back story is helpful:

In 2008 I had a retinal detachment in my dominant right eye, caused by a workplace injury. This was repaired on the same day as the injury by using vitrectomy and internal drainage in which a gas bubble was injected into my eye to hold the retina in place, while its edges were tacked in place with a laser. The prompt retinal repair was completely successful. The eye developed a cataract, removed a year later.

During cataract surgery an interoccular implant of intermediate focus inserted into my right eye. The specific lens implanted was an AcrySof acrylic foldable IOL with UV filter by Alcon Laboratories, Model SN60AT of power 21.5D having a ThetaT length of 13mm and a ThetaB optic of 6mm, implanted in 2009. Objects from 20-40 inches away are today still in sharp focus. I use a slight correction for distance and for precision close work, sharpening machine tools, tracing circuit boards, etc.

Before suffering the detached retina I competed in highpower rifle and indoor bullseye pistol shooting using shooting glasses approximately -0.75 diopter less than my reading prescription. My shooting glasses were optimized for a focal length based upon the measured distance my cheek bone below the eye to the front sight, being approximately 1 metre or about 39 inches. This gave a sharp sight picture, but the target was fussy if I used only my right eye. The target would sharpen considerably if I also used a Merit adjustable iris with the corrective lenses, but this isn't always practical in dimly lit indoor ranges. It works great outdoors for conventional NRA pistol shooting in full sun.

Prior to the 2009 cataract surgery in the right eye when shooting service rifle outdoors I could read the number boards OK with my left eye, but when down in position looking through the sights it was necessary to count target frames to be sure I was on the right one, so that I wouldn't crossfire. I could hold 6:00 on the bull for standing, 200 and 300 rapid, and would frame the target at 600 yards. In the 1980s I shot High Master, but these days I'm very happy with Expert.

I could use a scope if the eye lens was backed off to put the reticle in sharp focus without corrective lenses, and hunt deer and upland game with no issues. Firing a shotgun or iron sighted rifle I shoot with both eyes open, because I have good distance vision in the left eye. The brain has no trouble merging the target image in the left with the sight image in the right.

I was told by my retinal specialist when the vitrectomy was done to repair the detached retina, that the surgery eye would eventually develop a cataract because while the laser used for the retinal repair was focussed at the back of the eye, putting all that energy through the lens tissue causes a localized opacity. This was not a matter of "if" I would get a cataract in that eye, but rather of how soon it would grow become objectionable. Within 6 months after the retinal repair the focal distance in my right eye shortened to about half of normal and distance vision in that eye had eventually deteriorated such that I required a corrective lens restriction on my driver's license.

When I could no longer adjust scopes so that the reticle was sharp, and when using iron sights on a revolver became impossible, all I could do was superimpose a fuzzy gun over a fuzzy silhouette and instinctively point-shoot Applegate style. At that time I received extensive coaching from a retired FBI academy instructor who made me a true believer in point shooting, but that is another story... For those who want more on this read Applegate's book Bullseye's Don't Shoot back and follow it. It works.

While I could have gotten new corrective lenses and lived with my condition for a while longer, my eye doctor advised that the younger I was when I had the surgery, the better the chance for a successful outcome, because the eye is more flexible and resilient that it would be if I waited several years longer after age 70. I would enjoy more years of good vision by having the surgery sooner, rather than later.

Then being active and still working full-time outdoors, I decided not to wait on cataract surgery. I had it done when needed in the right eye and the outcome was wonderful. Years later I still function fine without glasses at all in well-lit, indoor office environments. But due to the nature of my outdoor work before I retired, and after retirement spending as much time as possible enjoying the outdoors, I wear progressive Transitions lenses all the time. My vision so equipped is like being 20-years old again.

Six years post-surgery, as explained by my surgeon, it is normal to develop some scar tissue behind the implanted IOL. This was the expected outcome and no surprise. To avoid a corrective lens restriction on my driver’s license, once my vision in the surgery eye was no longer correctable to any better than 20-40, I had the scar tissue corrected using quick a laser procedure. The day after the laser procedure my vision in that eye returned to 20-20 uncorrected. Six months post-laser my prescription in the surgery eye required a very slight distance correction and another slight one for very close work, but my glasses obtained 4 years ago, about a year after the lens was implanted, still corrected everything to 20-20 and the sights on my Garand and carry gun are sharp so I did not need all of my glasses replaced, but did just one pair of Transtions Progressives, maintaining the others still useable, if not optimum, as spares.

Fast forward to July 2019, the cataract which was slowly developing in my left eye finally got to the point where "it was time." My eye doctor removed the cataract in that left eye using the Catalys laser-assisted procedure. An AcrySof monofocal toric IOL was implanted, which also corrected the slight astigmatism in that eye. At the same time a goniotomy was performed to improve the fluid drainage to correct my glaucoma in that eye, as I had some previous nerve damage and loss of visual field, so it was necessary to stop further deterioration and quit fooling around! The laser assisted procedure was quick and painless. It required a $1600 co-pay to cover the difference between that and the traditional procedure, which was not covered by Medicare, but my supplemental insurance carried as a former gov't employee covered everything else.

Vision in my left eye was 20-20 the day after surgery and today, 2-months post-op it still is and I see like a 20-year-old again.

If you suspect a possible detached retina, DO NOT DELAY seeing an eye doctor if you see shadows, dark spots, multiple floaters or bubbles in your field of vision. PROMPT diagnosis and treatment is essential to a good outcome of a detached retina. Failure to do so you may lose the sight in that eye!

If your eye doctor happens to also be a retinal and cataract specialist, skilled in all the modern laser techniques, you are indeed lucky. If anyone needs a referral to an excellent eye doc in the Washington, DC and Northern VA area PM me and I'll give you my doc's name, CV and office particulars.
 
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Hawk

Well-Known Member
The specialist we went to was suppose to be "the Dr. our eye Dr. would send his mother to".
The referral came from a Dr. we have had a relationship with for 30 years. Suppose to be the best in North Texas.
Don't know what happened, but I'm PISSED!
Somebody is going to pay.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I've had six argon laser surgeries in my dominant eye to repair tears related to inflammation and complications of Pars Planitis, and am at 44 years old already developing several opaque spots in that eye. I also have PVD in both eyes now, about 25 years too soon but like laser, the inflammation has aged my orbits exponentially. Despite cellophane formation, gobs of floaters, auto-immune disorder, snowbanking, tears, PVD, and surgeries I was fortunate that the disease "burned out" a few years ago and the resulting calm has left me with 20/16 in my dominant eye and 20/15 in my non-dominant eye, which is what my vision was when tested in the aerospace industry at 22 years old. Outpost's advice about getting a REAL eye MD to examine anything abnormal (floaters, flashes, or spots coming on suddenly) is spot-on, don't fool around with that stuff because the difference between permanent blindness and surgical restoration can be mere hours.

I'm not allowed to shoot big-kickers anymore and my eye MD frowns on me even shooting light 12-gauge loads. A two-day beard and dab of Vaseline on my cheek together with a parallel, properly-fitted comb also helps mitigate recoil transfer to my skull.