Another Oddball Headed For The Safe, Range, and Field
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CZ93X62
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That is EXACTLY why I bought it--to hunt with. Another tool that landed here recently is a new Lee Drip-O-Matic casting furnace to pour the Rotometals 87/12/<1 Condor Cuddler Metal with. My RCBS Pro-Melt will manage the lowly lead alloys for the present time.
Mowgli Terry
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Got and Ruger One H and a CZ 550 in 375 H&H. Cast bullets on the agenda-if I live long enough. The 9.3x57 Swed needs to come first. Don't understand this odd ball stuff. Glad I don't by long guns on a whim-ha!
CZ93X62
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We enthusiasts of weird, out-of-print calibers get no end of harassment from the 30-06 and 5.56 proponents. I was still working in the Detective Bureau when I made mention of my then-new CZ-550 in 9.3 x 62 Mauser (2002). "WTH izzat? About half were hunters, so I asked if they were familiar with the 25-06; they were. "Well, this is a 36-06. I wanted more than just a 30-06, and the 338 Mag only holds 3 rounds full-up. The CZ holds 5, like the 30-06." That flew OK. They are a hard lot.
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Well Edward R. Southgate woke this thread back up by liking my post. Which really doesn't matter other than reminding me about 71's and CZ's Browning.
So I wanted to post a couple of pictures of a, lets call it a hybrid original Winchester 71. In other words a nicely Bubbed 71.
When I got it, it had a 20" barrel, flat band around the barrel and full length magazine tube, Lyman receiver site and of all the unforgivable things, a Monte Carlo stock of a very short length of pull at 12 inches. All in all excepting the stock, nicely done. I did after a couple of years of watching eBay come up with a original short tang stock. I had been find one occasionally for $150 to $200. Not interested. But one day as luck would have it I was on eBay and I came across the original stock which had just been posted for $20 "buy it now". Bingo. Did not come with a butt plate, and I just happen to like 14 to 14.5 inch length of pull, so add on a Decelerator pad and be done. So a couple of pictures.
I also found a LEE 6 cavity 350 250 gas checked mold that was a group buy, which came with a Lyman .350 sizer die for $80 shipped.
CZ did you ever get a mold from Tom? I'm interested in what you may have turned up. I'm looking for a heavy in the 280 grain range and a light weight around 200 grains.
So I wanted to post a couple of pictures of a, lets call it a hybrid original Winchester 71. In other words a nicely Bubbed 71.
When I got it, it had a 20" barrel, flat band around the barrel and full length magazine tube, Lyman receiver site and of all the unforgivable things, a Monte Carlo stock of a very short length of pull at 12 inches. All in all excepting the stock, nicely done. I did after a couple of years of watching eBay come up with a original short tang stock. I had been find one occasionally for $150 to $200. Not interested. But one day as luck would have it I was on eBay and I came across the original stock which had just been posted for $20 "buy it now". Bingo. Did not come with a butt plate, and I just happen to like 14 to 14.5 inch length of pull, so add on a Decelerator pad and be done. So a couple of pictures.
I also found a LEE 6 cavity 350 250 gas checked mold that was a group buy, which came with a Lyman .350 sizer die for $80 shipped.
CZ did you ever get a mold from Tom? I'm interested in what you may have turned up. I'm looking for a heavy in the 280 grain range and a light weight around 200 grains.
smokeywolf
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Looks a little like its roots; a deluxe model '86. Seems like a pretty good rifle to have around your neck of the woods.
L Ross
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Do I recall there was much consternation about the throat/leade or lack thereof in the Brownings? Something about not being cast friendly. I had a 71 years ago that indeed killed deer with alacrity. Mismatched deluxe forearm, standard butt stock, a couple of odd holes in the receiver, gone now.
In its place is a 1906 vintage 1886 full rifle in .33 with a shotgun butt with a funky Winchester butt plate that is made of an odd looking molded product that I am amazed has survived the years. I know never buy the story when you buy the gun, but the tale appended to this rifle is that an older gentleman's grandfather had bought this gun to hunt caribou and moose in far far northern Minnesota. Those are the stories I wish I could hear.
In its place is a 1906 vintage 1886 full rifle in .33 with a shotgun butt with a funky Winchester butt plate that is made of an odd looking molded product that I am amazed has survived the years. I know never buy the story when you buy the gun, but the tale appended to this rifle is that an older gentleman's grandfather had bought this gun to hunt caribou and moose in far far northern Minnesota. Those are the stories I wish I could hear.
CZ93X62
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I haven't purchased a mould for the 348 yet from Tom, I will likely later this month. I do have a couple Lyman moulds set aside for me by a friend in northern NV, along with GCs and other 348 stuff. We will do a trade in a month or so under the best possible circumstances--during a varmint hunt.
Like John G, I would like two bullet weights for this rifle, and since I have gas-checked cavities in the Lymans my preference for the Accurate Molds tool(s) will be plain-based designs, 200-220 grains and 250-275 grains. All of you "low-node" characters here have (finally) gotten my attention, and even this late chapter of my life I have come to appreciate the docile and effective work that gets done by castings at 1200-1400 FPS without the complication of gas-checking or the resulting recoil of mondo-heavy loadings.
Tom puts some real thought into his mould designs, and his line for the 348 takes into account the nearly-non-existent throating in these rifles. He states that both original Winchester and repro Browning throats share that trait. Anyone who messes about with leverguns has likely "Seen similar films" with their pet venison makers.
Like John G, I would like two bullet weights for this rifle, and since I have gas-checked cavities in the Lymans my preference for the Accurate Molds tool(s) will be plain-based designs, 200-220 grains and 250-275 grains. All of you "low-node" characters here have (finally) gotten my attention, and even this late chapter of my life I have come to appreciate the docile and effective work that gets done by castings at 1200-1400 FPS without the complication of gas-checking or the resulting recoil of mondo-heavy loadings.
Tom puts some real thought into his mould designs, and his line for the 348 takes into account the nearly-non-existent throating in these rifles. He states that both original Winchester and repro Browning throats share that trait. Anyone who messes about with leverguns has likely "Seen similar films" with their pet venison makers.
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
CZ keep us informed on what cast bullets you play with and what you find with Tom.
Just looking at his site, I like the new indexing system they are using. I like the looks of the 35-220B on the lighter end and the 35-300B for the heavy. I would lean more towards a 200 grain gas check then the 220. The 300 in a plain base, relatively soft, probably powder coated, at 1400 -1500 area. Those would bookend the 250 grain I have.
Anyway I'm looking forward to getting this lever working this spring as the light returns. I'm hoping to finish up a remodel I'm working on by mid February which will give me some play time.
Just looking at his site, I like the new indexing system they are using. I like the looks of the 35-220B on the lighter end and the 35-300B for the heavy. I would lean more towards a 200 grain gas check then the 220. The 300 in a plain base, relatively soft, probably powder coated, at 1400 -1500 area. Those would bookend the 250 grain I have.
Anyway I'm looking forward to getting this lever working this spring as the light returns. I'm hoping to finish up a remodel I'm working on by mid February which will give me some play time.
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Yeah I was thinking that one powder coated on the high end to about 1800. That is if you wanted to go there. But lubed to about 1400 would be comfortable. Anything higher I'd be thinking PC.
PC and BHN of about 12 to 14 at 1800 I would think would be a penetrate and expand quite well.
PC and BHN of about 12 to 14 at 1800 I would think would be a penetrate and expand quite well.
Bruce Drake
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Buckshot is a nasty enabler! 
I don't know how to spell it either, there's an "O" on the end I think. But both Browning and Winchester reproductions come from this manufacturer. Pretty much across the board from the lever guns to the 22 L.R. model 52's. The only complaint you hear is the rebounding hammers on the tang safety lever guns and I doubt that was there design.
CZ93X62
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Buckshot is THE WORST.Buckshot is a nasty enabler!
CZ93X62
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I believe so, Rocky. I also have an 1892 Miroku repro in 44 Magnum, which is SUPERB. I missed the 357 version by about a week at a local Winchester full-boat-retail clip joint. The Miroku rifles I have seen and not bought are like the two I have--very well-made and mechanically sound.
smokeywolf
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Here's mine...
Not as pretty and new as yours Al, but she shoots very well.
Not as pretty and new as yours Al, but she shoots very well.
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L Ross
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Wouldn't a .35 in a Hi-Wall be great?
