AR Rifles

rodmkr

Temecula California
I do not own one so this is mostly a question.
What is the great fascination everyone has with them?
Having carried on in Vietnam I would not even have one in my home.
The ones I see at the range remind me of the mall ninjas.
Sorry if this may hurt someones feelings but would like to her your
reasons for owning them.
Especially since the gubermint is trying to take them away from you!

rodmkr
 

Rick H

Well-Known Member
I trained with and carried a M-16a1 in the service, not an AR. I own two AR's, both flat tops, one with a red dot and flip up sights the other with a scope. I find them accurate reliable and fun to shoot. They have displaced my two bolt action .223/5.56 rifles for coyote calling. I don't shoot cast through mine, but both are easy to load for and rival the accuracy of my two Savage Bolt guns, (one a heavy bbl. varminter). They are honest 1 1/2 MOA rifles that are easy to carry, handle well, and are unsurpassed for follow up shots. My only issue is they toss brass away in the field. A strap on brass catcher solves that problem for bench work.

Yeah the mall Ninja's like them, so do police agencies, hi-power target competitors, hunters, and retired street cops like me. From what I read they are the number one selling firearms in the country. Must be a lot of people liking them.
 

BBerguson

Official Pennsyltuckian
They shoot what used to be a cheap cartridge to purchase, they have large magazines, they look cool, they have interchangeable parts, you can customize them 1000’s of different ways and they are just like the guns in the video games. I’m sure there are other reasons for the “first gun” crowd.

I’ve always loved guns since I was a little kid and almost 60 now. There was a time when I said I‘d never own a “black rifle”. Then Stag came out with their Model 8L which is piston driven and left handed. So I bought one and thoroughly enjoy shooting it. Then I bought a Stag Model 6L which is their heavy barreled stainless model guaranteed to shoot 1/2 moa. It’s 1-7 twist so it will shoot the really heavy bullets but my best loads so far have been Sierra 52gr hpbt match bullets. Odd I thought, but whatever... With it’s weight, it’s an absolute joy to shoot off a bench. I’ve said that you can almost *almost* see the bullet holes appear. I’ve learned to not say never anymore when it comes to guns.

And, thank you for your service! I have a buddy that may have given you some support while you were there. He was a phantom pilot and flew 638 sorties off a carrier deck. Shot down twice, once they were able to get back to the carrier but couldn’t land and bailed out into the water. A week later they were shot down over Hanoi. His co-pilot was captured and spent 3 years in the ”Hanoi Hilton”. My buddy had to go about 50 miles through the jungle but was able to avoid capture. Went right back to flying. His co-pilot, after release, went on to become an instructor at Miramar. My hatred for Jane Fonda and those like her is intense... But, again, thank you.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I last fired an M-16 in 1969. In 2018 my son and I were looking for a shooting project to do together, a behind the door first rifle when the wolves come. Since he trained on the M16-A2 while in the 82nd Airborne, we decided to build AR15's. No machining required, few special tools and only basic skills needed. Mostly it was research, parts chasing and buying. We had a great time together doing them, one for him and one for me. So now I own an AR.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Couldn't carry an M16 while loading munitions on aircraft on the flightline, but we were issued them one particularly eventful night, Tet '69.

I don't own an AR-type rifle, however, I do understand their capabilities and appeal. Lately, I've been looking into the many AR-15/10 cartridges, and some of them are starting to look very interesting. I might have to look into the legalities of building one. California makes it either very difficult, or next to impossible.
 

creosote

Well-Known Member
I've got a bullet button, (shark fin? ) it clamps to the grip so it isn't a pistol grip. Five or ten round magazine (I forget) you can have.

(They're Not worth much in the scheme of things. )
If you decide to jump through all the hoops.
Not sure if an 80% is the better way to go now?
The rules change to much.
 

Hawk

Well-Known Member
I've got a Rock River AR15 with a 16" barrel and the Wylde chamber and it is a 1/2" to 3/4", 100 yard gun with multiple loads and bullets.
I hunt hogs with it, because it is easy to hang spot lights and laser sight on.
Also, it is nice to have if the SHTF, which may be coming to a city near you!
 
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Gary

SE Kansas
I was on Guam working as a Hospital Corpsman. Arrived late 1967 along with a half dozen other Corpsmen and our primary job was to setup an additional 20 operating rooms in the Asan addition. So, US Brass knew TET was coming IMO because a short 3 months later TET 68 happened. Our surgical log went from ~ 20 cases daily to about 100 daily. Didn't get the opportunity to use a M-16 but I saw a lot of the results of 7.62 x 39 damage on human flesh. Don't ever want to see that kind of stuff again.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I have a bunch representing four calibers from .458 to .22. They're tools, like a jack or a set of wrenches. Have one in every vehicle along with several hundred rounds of whatever the flavor is ammo, in magazines, in the get home bag. They're low maintenance, fun to hunt with, fun at the range, easy to suppress, and if you make your own lowers you don't even have to fill out a 4473.

Put another way, AR-variant rifles are Barbies for men.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I have a son from the 222nd Air Wing USA and another in the 12th Cav . My Daughter was a Sea Bee armorer but I can't recall her last assignment other than she was on the Reagan and took pictures of 600' freighters 100+ ft out of the water not far from Fukishima . She's married to a Marine ret . They know their way around the civi and GI rifles .

Mine is in 6.8 SPCII . The basic parts kit and later premium barrel and bolt cost me about the same as the current cost of of a Savage bolt head and barrel .
The stock and grip fit Ms with her fused wrist . The 6.8 is actually a pretty substantial cartridge in the AR platform .

They carry weird .
They are not as well balanced as I'd like for a field gun .
There's not any cost effective wood .
Accuracy is pretty much whatever you got is what you have .

Sight options are only held back by what will attach to a Weaver or Pictinny rail .
There's literally a barrel and bolt for caliber from 17-50 and often several cases per caliber .
Their adaptable to blow back PPC and it takes like 30 seconds to go from 17/223 to 50 BW .
While I haven't look at a PPC kit I don't imagine it's very different from a 22LR upper and magazine adapter for 9/40/45 ACP .
Outside of the perceived upside down spring in the GI trigger assy they are very simple tools .

Range day , pack hunt , knowing I'll be as one for more than a couple of hours moving around hiking etc per day , I'll take a 98' , 110 or 92' Win every time .

There are of course some potential social implications in ammo availability also .
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I mostly use mine for varmint hunting.
one is set up for 300yd open sight ''bowling pin'' shooting,,, just because we have steel bowling pins on a rack at 300 yds [shrug]
besides all the old guys in town have one, or two, for some reason or other.
 

Mitty38

Well-Known Member
In response to original poster.
I did not have the kind of cash to buy a good rifle, but I was able to build this one a piece at a time, as I got the cash, litteraly on my kitchen table.
16 inch rifle set up exactly how I want. With the right ammo, can pick ground hogs off at 200 yards. Coyotes at 300 yards. Semi auto so I am ready if another pops up quick. Rugged light, never once had a FTF, what more do I want?
 
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358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
ARs can be as simple, or elaborate as your wants & needs demand. I often refer to them as "Barbie guns", because they can do everything! I have had many versions of them, my primary caliber focus is still on .223/5.56. There is a complete unfired 458 SOCOM floating around here as well. The best part for me is that I can do my own upgrades, repairs, and any modifications.

Want to change a barrel? If you take your time you can have it done less than thirty minutes after the notion hits you. Change calibers? You can change the barrel in your existing upper receiver as outlined above, or simply swap the upper with a different one. This is truly modular in my book. Tools are reasonably inexpensive and plentiful, and information isn't hard to come by at all.

There are caliber limitations, but there is a larger framed version to be had if you want to go bigger, the AR10. This takes you up into calibers like 308 Winchester, 358 Winchester, and many others you may not have even heard of.
 

smokeywolf

Well-Known Member
I think 358156 hp just hit the nail on the head. They are versatile, modular, and to a great degree, standardized. I am a recent owner of one in 6.5 Grendel. If money, time and priorities were right I'd buy/build at least 2 more. While I've never been a fan of the "black guns" to the extent that many are, you can hang anything you want on an AR. You won't catch me drilling and tapping an original 19th century Winchester for picatinny rails.