At the range today, H & R 30-30

[Ian]

The only time I think drilling flash holes is necessary is when making primer-only gallery loads for revolvers. If you don't significantly enlarge the hole, the primer backs out and ties up the cylinder.

 

[Reloader762]

Thanks guys for all the replies,many of the things mentions were pretty much what I thought I just needs some reinforcement. I do shoot a few mouse fart loads in all my 30 cal. rifles using the same Lee .314" 90 gr. SWC sized accordingly along with 3.0 to 3.5 grs. Bullseye so I might throw a few test loads in the mix next weekend using some LP primers and see how the do compared to the ones I've shot in the past with LR primers.

 

[Ben]

My shooting friend Bryan and I loaded 20 rounds up for his rifle and fired them in 10 shot groups at 50 yards. He fired 10 rounds , I fired the same load with 10 rounds at 50 yards also.

These loads ( in the 30-06 ) had 8.4 grs. of Amer. Select and a large pistol primer.

Here is the plain base NOE 311331 sized .311" and lubed with Ben's Red and rolled in 45 - 45- 10 , IT IS A SHOOTER ! !

I've yet to see a 30-06 rifle that this particular load did not shoot REAL WELL in.

 

[Ben]

As I've mentioned earlier there is no guarantee that a pistol primer added to the equation will yield results like you see above, but on occasions it seems to be the last thing that is needed for a particular load to offer optimum accuracy.

Ben

 

[Ian]

That's great Ben, I just checking with you to see if it seemed safe to try a LPP behind a heavy bullet with a pinch of fast pistol powder in a .308....if you didn't have any issues with a heavy bullet in the '06, I'm sure I'll be fine. Thanks for sharing that again, nice round 10-shot groups always make a person feel good. My recollection was that you'd done that a bunch with the PB bullets and had good results most of the time. Something about the delicate bases seems to work better with the milder primers.

 

[Ben]

Something about the delicate bases seems to work better with the milder primers.

EXACTLY ! !

 

[Ben]

Someone mentioned earlier that the pistol primer may be letting the bullet stay in the case until most of the propellant burn is completed. That is a very good possibility.

All this is like watching a nuclear explosion on a TV screen, if someone ask me to explain ( with physics ) what I just saw, I can't.

However, because I can't explain it fully, doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

That is how I feel about some of my plain base shooting, I can't explain it, but I know it works.

Ben

 

[Ian]

We'll find out tomorrow. Got ten of each put together with Lee 230 and MP 130, WLP primers, and enough Titegroup to run them all in the 960 fps range.

 

[Ben]

I hope they shoot well.
I'm anxious to see your results.

 

[Ben]

One other thing :

Not certain if I've ever seen a .310" dia. PLAIN BASE cast bullet shoot a tighter group than the same bullet sized .311".

Ben

 

[Ian]

I run mine .3095". This is necessary for the tight throat entrances of three different .308s that I have. Even my M1A will barely, just barely accept .3100" bullets, and sticks hard with .3102" front bands pushed into the throat even a little bit. Powder coated bullets run better in all my rifles sized about halfway between groove size and what you'd normally want to run as a lubricated cast bullet. Autos like just about groove size. Revolvers still like snug cylinder throat size.

 

[KHornet]

Ben's bug hole groups are prime examples of the old Pa Dutch saying, "if it works, don't fix it!"

Paul

 

[300BLK]

Ben's bug hole groups are prime examples of the old Pa Dutch saying, "if it works, don't fix it!"

Paul

Agreed. I shot Saeco #301s PB'd over 8-12gr Herco with WLP in RP 30-06 cases and had no issues lighting them off. Best groups ran .4-.5" at 50 yards.

 

[Ben]

no issues lighting them off. Best groups ran .4-.5" at 50 yards.

And I bet you enjoyed every round ! !

Ben

 

[Ian]

Updated my .308 thread with target. I rambled on a bit in the description but conclusion is the WLP helped the heavy Lee bullet immensely, virtually eliminating the yawed flyers (except for the first cold shot which the suppressor always throws to the right, but that's a whole other discussion). With the MP 130 grain HP plain-base I need to do more work to the load, it will still stack two or three and throw a wild one, then stack two or three more and throw another, just like really sloppy-wet, slippery lube will do...except these are all powder coated. This is same or worse than before with that particular bullet and load combo.

http://www.artfulbullet.com/index.php?threads/heh-heh-heh.466/#post-32352

 

[Maven]

"The 30-30 has :

• The ideal case capacity for 1,500 - 1850 fps shooting with 150 gr. - 170 gr. cast bullets.

• As mentioned earlier, the long neck of the 30-30 is optimum for cast bullets.
• Headspacing on the rim for single shots is great.
• There is a wide range of cast bullet molds ( way too many to count) from 75 grs. - 245 grs.

"A great cartridge for the cast bullet shooter, in my opinion.

Ben"


Well said, Ben! Do you and other forum members remember when the .30-30Win. and Rem. 788's were pretty commonly used in various CBA matches?

 

[Ben]

"The 30-30 has :

• The ideal case capacity for 1,500 - 1850 fps shooting with 150 gr. - 170 gr. cast bullets.

• As mentioned earlier, the long neck of the 30-30 is optimum for cast bullets.
• Headspacing on the rim for single shots is great.
• There is a wide range of cast bullet molds ( way too many to count) from 75 grs. - 245 grs.

"A great cartridge for the cast bullet shooter, in my opinion.

Ben"


Well said, Ben! Do you and other forum members remember when the .30-30Win. and Rem. 788's were pretty commonly used in various CBA matches?

Yes, and the owners didn't have too much to be embarrassed about either .