Ben's Gun Oil

Ben

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Staff member
Some of the prices that I'm seeing on gun oil for a 2oz. container
are off the scale.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1014753067?pid=837026

I've made my own for years. It offers great rust preventative protection, good lubrication for semi auto pistols and rifles. It does everything I need.

20 % Marvel Mystery oil
80 % Mobil 1 Synthetic 5W - 30 oil

Ben

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Ben

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Staff member
Ben, you are a phenomenon at taking off the shelf items and combining them to produce something that is greater than the sum of it's parts.

Rocky,

You are kind with your words.
Many thanks,
Ben
 

Wasalmonslayer

Well-Known Member
That’s a good mix!
I have been using a similar for years.
must people don’t give mobil1motor oil a thought but the light weight stuff works fantastic as gun oil.
I actually thin mine with hoppes oil.
I think I will give your mix a roll next time as I have those items on the shelf.
I have never felt the real light weight oils offer the good lube and shear force protection.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
I use Ed's Red for a bore cleaner.

I am now using the NGMTU homemade gun oil. Recipe below. Only thing I am told it will not do well in is 22 auto pistols when it gets real cold (prob result of the STP; I think the NGMTU unit origin is/was Michigan!). It is slicker than snot!

NGMTU Red Oil recipe:

3 quarts automatic transmission fluid (red F type)
1 quart 10W or 30W non-detergent motor oil
1 pint STP oil treatment
4 ounces Hoppe's #9
 

Rally

NC Minnesota
I'm also curious as to why the Mystery oil. Both great products, but I've been using the Mobil 1 a long time on Browning A5's and it makes a difference in cold weather, and using it in ALL my vehicles for at least 20 years. Lots of folks here use the Mystery oil when they put their machines away for the winter. I fog my stuff with Sea Foam.
I'm thinking Ben uses that Mystery oil so he can stay with the "Ben's Red" theme! LOL
 
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CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
It didn't occur to me to mix these two ingredients to make gun oil. I will ABSOLUTELY try this, since my gun oil bottles and tins are almost empty.
 

Missionary

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Hear it does not get cold (below 35) but up higher it does. We have volcano dust. Straight ATF lightly applied. No semi-autos. Just levers, revolvers, bolts and pumps. I do like the manual machinery age.
 

Ben

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Staff member
So you want to know why on the Marvel Mystery Oil ?

Seems it drops ( slightly ) the viscosity of any other oil.
If I'm out on a cold winter day, I don't want a heavy oil
in my firearms.

Ben
 

Dusty Bannister

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I think Ben explains it well enough. I use a blend of STP and MMO. Thin application on "experienced" firearms and many other applications around the house. It does not seem to sling off in use, but I am sparing with it anyway. A light application on wearing surfaces, cycle the action, and wipe off any excess and it pretty much stays in place. Cold weather is a consideration, but I am not out in those elements much these days.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
So you want to know why on the Marvel Mystery Oil ?

Seems it drops ( slightly ) the viscosity of any other oil.
If I'm out on a cold winter day, I don't want a heavy oil
in my firearms.

Ben
It smells real good, and for the reason(s) posted above. It's a Olfactory thing.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
I've mentioned the DIY "Gunshow gun oil" recipe a few times, so pardon me if you've read it before.

70% Mobil One automotive oil (...doesn't really matter what weight, I use 0w40 because that's what my ATV uses)
30% STP engine oil treatment
This is just for the outside of the gun, in the short term it retards finger prints from handling, in the long term, it's just a good rust preventative.
It doesn't leave the petrol rainbow like many gun oils will, when they are liberally applied to blued steel.
The STP provides the 'stick to the metal' quality you want when 25+ gunshow attendees are likely to handle the gun.

I use Ed's Red (with Lanolin) for cleaning and the final lubing on most handguns that get used.

One other lube I use is G96 in a spraycan. I'll use that when I get home from the range and don't feel like cleaning anything that day...just a quick spray and wipe down to keep the rust away until I have time to clean them properly, a day or so later.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
I have three different Marvel Mystery products on my garage shelf.
The Original oil enhancer and fuel treatment.
A Spray bottle (like windex) which is thinner.
and Air tool oil which is advertised as specially formulated for air tools.
 

Ben

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Staff member
MMO sells a lot of different products.
A lot more than the bottle you see in my original post above.

Ben
 

Ian

Notorious member
The question I ask myself about these sorts of things is what exactly is it I would like to accomplish? Well, in this case, many things.

Prevent rust.
Prevent wear (keep moving parts, especially highly-loaded ones, from touching.
Stay put and not migrate.
Do all those things consistently in all service temperatures.

So we start with a base oil because oil film's oxygen barrier prevents air getting to the metal (or below the finish)l to rust it. We want it to be load bearing and have high film strength (which is NOT a natural attribute of liquids) so we add extreme pressure agents (like ZDDP found in STP in only trace quantities nowadays) to deal with boundary lubrication conditions. We want it to stay put so we add some eschtickenzie to it (polybutene, the universal stickifier found in bar oil, Lucas products, bird repellant etc which also adds some film strength and a LOT of viscosity) ,....but wait now it gums up in the cold, builds up with use, and makes varnish. And we forgot to add anything to keep our oil itself from oxidizing because we chose the wrong base oil for the job in the first place. So quick, add some solventy stuff to keep the gum in a slurry (but not too much, you don't want to defeat the eschtickenzie! ) and while we're at it add some pour-point depressants so it works better in the cold.

Oh...but now you want a CLEANER as well as a lubricant and metal protectant? Great, just add some more solventy stuff, but mow you're gonna need some more eschtickenzie to make it stay out and now your viscosity and gum levels are back up. Oh well, just use it more often, right? Keep things cleaned so it doesn't gum up, keep plenty on there so it lubes, and keep the excess wiped off so it doesn't get everywhere you don't want it.

Guess what? If you're gonna actually do the MAINTENANCE, all you need is mineral spirits and plain mineral oil. Some parts always do and always have needed actual GREASE, so use that sparingly as necessary and don't ask your CLP to cover a job it can't.

Mote on the oils. Engine oils are more than 25% additive package by volume and those additives are mostly to make the oil do stuff it needs to at a couple hundred degrees inside an engine, not your firearm. So you think you got a real "synthetic", do you? Prove it. Synthetics that do what you want them to (have low viscosity indeces (VI) without the addition of coiled, long-chain polymers or pour-point depressants) are either of the man-made polyalphaolephin (PAO) or ester/polyolester (POE) variety (there are others like PAG which won't apply to guns). Mobil1 USED to be a PAO but (long story) is not anymore. The only true synthetics I know if are made by Amsoil, Royal Purple, and Redline. What does this mean? Well, your engine oil has a bunch of crap in it you may or may not want on your guns like heavy detergents, dispersants, and over-base pH additives. Mineral oils like Dexron III and laxative-grade white oil don't gum or varnish and have a naturally high VI which does well in both high and low temperatures without drama, excepting extreme cold. Below 10⁰F you'd probably better either run your guns dry or use a TRUE PAO Synthetic oil, if you can find one (there is no truth in oil advertising thanks to the Supreme Court ruling in Mobil vs. Castrol).

Very few true synthetic greases exist outside of the aviation industry. If it doesn't specifically advertise being a PAO or Ester blend base oil, it's just ordinary hydrocracked dinosaur juice and suffers all the downsides of such.

If it is and open system and needs to slide under pressure in all temperatures, the only things that really work are hard coatings like Teflon and ceramics.

Here's what I use for all of my guns:

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There's a light and heavy synthetic grease, Ed's Red for bore and chamber care, RP gun oil for lube and wiping down, and Hoppes' Benchrest #9 for ambiance and gently removing copper fouling on the rare occasion I need either.

Not shown is a clean parts vat full of Safety Solvent 140 (Varsol) in the shop for full strip/clean jobs.
 
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Will

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I couldn’t help but notice the use of Mobil SHC 220 grease on the table. I didn’t have much confidence when we switched from high temp wheel bearing grease to Mobil SHC 220 for our fin fan and blower bearings at work.

I was WRONG. We pretty much have zero bearing failures now. Must be some really good stuff.