Ben's Saeco #311 and The Eagan in the Rem 700 308 VS

quicksylver

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Well ..What a beautiful day today... 72 degrees, 10 knot wind dead on at the range...

A great day to try Ben's Saeco #311....I say Ben's because he was kind enough to send along A LOT of
bullets cast from his Saeco #311 Mold, sized, lubed and checked with his Al checks......THANKS AGAIN ben!
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I have tried this bullet before in the 700..just getting a feel for it..but this time I thought I would go for the gold..

The 311 cast with Ben's alloy.."COWW with a little Lino thrown in"averages about 166.5 grs fully dressed..
Ben had sized them .311..but for the Rem I resized to .309..
When doing this I noticed a slight hint of them being out of round..no big deal.....especially if you look at the target.....
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I loaded them up with 16.8 grs of 2400 and primed them with WLR primers....this was the second group of the day...the first was five rounds of 315...another story...

I think they did very well ..showing great promise....you know me and scopes..Ben has shot better groups than me with scopes...BUT I will say I am getting used to this gun shooting one hole groups .. I don't get all upset now when I see one hole after firing three or so rounds..now after the third round it is another story..:mad::mad::mad:

Here is the target...
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I then tried some of the Eagan bullets Ben sent along...again all sized and lubed....
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Apparently I need to load them a little hotter as tipping was prevalent in all ten rounds...
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As you can see the hole from the point is off center on all holes...


I was able to recover some of the rounds....can you tell Ben's bullets from mine?

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Ben's alloy stayed together much better than mine...the softer alloy shoots as good as my 92/4/4
Ditto for the Al checks verses the copper ones...
They obviously hang on..

Ben's checks were absolutely perfect..clean edges ,extremely uniform...

The only comment I can make on Al vs copper is that I do feel a noticeable difference when seating the bullet..those with the copper checks take little more force..the second observation is that the copper check have considerably more spring back after sizing...

Also what I have concluded is that at the velocities I shoot at anything with a BNH between COWW and 92/4/4 shoots just fine..

Ben.. Thanks for the opportunity to experiment with these bullets..I PROMISE THAT I WILL POST A PICTURE OF A BUG HOLE WITH THE 311'S BEFORE I RUN OUT...:) :)

So...I am anxious to try more of the 311's it's a shooter and work up a load for the Eagan's....
 
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Josh

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I love aluminum checks and they are all I use (doesn't hurt I make them by the pound) if you want a few more let me know, I will happily send you as many as you like.
 

Ben

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Good write up Dan.

The " 1st 3 " in your first group looked REAL IMPRESSIVE !

Good shooting.

Ben
 

quicksylver

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Yes Ben....the last two should have been in there as well...I know you would have gotten them in ...

This had been a relearning experience for me...I like you used to use COWW +some tin..but I started to use harder alloy yo get the bullets a little larger for the Springfields...

Al checks are no slouch. ..very interesting.

The harder alloy really sheds lead doesn't it...

Have you used the Eagan with a 1 in 12 twist ?
 

Ben

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So far for me, the Eagan has been shot in 1-10 rifles.
Shoots pretty well in a 1-10 for me.

I noticed it " tipping " a bit for you.

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Ben
 

KHornet

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Tend to agree with Quick on seating pressure slight difference between AL and Copper Checks.
This will be an interesting thread to follow.
Paul
 

quicksylver

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I love aluminum checks and they are all I use (doesn't hurt I make them by the pound) if you want a few more let me know, I will happily send you as many as you like.


Josh....if you felt inclined to send some.30 cal A l. Checks along..I will run loads over the chrony and see what we get...

At the sam time I can ..along with others run an accuracy comparison..

And while I am at it I would run some undersized bullets with copper and AL to see what the results are....I say that because I think copper checks can work as a mini sabot..
 

Josh

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How many would you like? 250, 500, 1000, 5000? I am pretty sure I can cover even more if you need them.