Bullets for .30-30 Ruger No. 1?

JWinAZ

JWinAZ

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I lucked into getting a new one few years ago. A really nice rifle. It does have the very short throat, almost none. Five groove rifling and .299-.300 bore diameter. At this point I'm reluctant to re-throat the rifle.

I have tried the RCBS 150 CM, 311041 and 311284. The RCBS works without undue seating pressure. The Lyman's do not. I have not had great luck in nose sizing.

I'm looking for a GC bullet in the 150-170 grain range that will load easily, the nose smaller than the bore diameter. Not sure that a bonafide bore rider is what I'm looking for. This is for offhand practice, not benchrest. A bonus if it work for the same purposes in a Marlin Micro-groove. From the images 311291 looks like it might fit the bill. The load will be a 2400 type powder (Vit. N110) at 1400-1500 fps.

Suggestions appreciated!
 
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462

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Prior to giving my Model 94 to my son, it shot the 311291 very well. Actually, the mould was an ancient and ventless single-cavity Ideal 308291. At some later time Lyman re-labeled it 311291. I don't know the absolute truth of it, but read from an unremembered source that the bullet was designed specifically for the Model 94, though it seem more than a little plausible.

I don't have the bullet's dimensions nor load data and the memory file is empty.
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
Same!

It works a wonder in my 24" Contender Carbine 30/30 barrel, so much so that if I'm not having a great shooting day, I'll wrap up by putting five or ten down-range with this bullet and 7.5 grains of Unique and it makes me feel like I know what I'm doing.
 
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popper

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I use a 31-142C (GC)& D that I did for BO but work good for 30/30 also. Straight wall and stepped FN fills the freebore but not a bore ridder. Use 2400 for light loads, probably GC not needed for 1500 fps.
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Missionary

Missionary

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The above is right... The RD Molds and the NOE copies are for Fat throated chambers (Like Marlins) and will give you fits in other chambers.
Long or short throats.... RD molds are Fat nosed.
 
CWLONGSHOT

CWLONGSHOT

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Jeff H said:
Same!

It works a wonder in my 24" Contender Carbine 30/30 barrel, so much so that if I'm not having a great shooting day, I'll wrap up by putting five or ten down-range with this bullet and 7.5 grains of Unique and it makes me feel like I know what I'm doing.
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My carbine bbl shot Unique well too but HATED 2400!!
I picked up a Accurate 170 Ranch dog looking bullet for my Savage 340 on recomendation here. It does shoot better then my NOE 165 in the 340. The Contender shoots both well as do my 300 BO rifles. But they all also love the 041.
I have tried the 284 HP I got from Brad I think but not alotta luck. But both the Springfield '06 and 7.65 shoot that one well need ta try in the 30/40 one day. (Yes its fat enough)

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todd

todd

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CWLONGSHOT said:
My carbine bbl shot Unique well too but HATED 2400!!
I picked up a Accurate 170 Ranch dog looking bullet for my Savage 340 on recomendation here. It does shoot better then my NOE 165 in the 340. The Contender shoots both well as do my 300 BO rifles. But they all also love the 041.
I have tried the 284 HP I got from Brad I think but not alotta luck. But both the Springfield '06 and 7.65 shoot that one well need ta try in the 30/40 one day. (Yes its fat enough)

CW
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my 30-40 Krag loves the 165gr RD (.311"). well, the RD true weight is 173gr (COWW and a smidgeon of tin). i've killed 9 or 10 deer with the RD and my oldest son has killed 5 or 6 deer.

i wanted to use it in my Remington m14 in 30 Rem, but the barrel lacks a throat. i should take it to my gunsmith. instead, i'll use 150gr Speer FN with H322.

i have, well my youngest son has it now, a Savage m340 in 30-30 but he uses 170gr Hornady FN with H322.
 
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Petrol & Powder

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First - WHAT A GREAT RIFLE !
I've always admired the Ruger #1.
The .30-30 is a cast bullet friendly chambering for that rifle. WIN-WIN

Second, I cannot offer much in mold choices but that short throat may limit you a bit.
A gas check bullet in your desired weight range seems to be right where that caliber should be but that short throat is going to be the factor.

Since the RCBS 150 CM works, but lacks a gas check base, I would suggest a custom mold that is close to the RCBS style but with a gas check base.

Accurate molds has a 160 grain option, with a gas check base that might give you a little more weight but still work with that short throat.

Bullet Design Details | Accurate Molds

www.accuratemolds.com www.accuratemolds.com
 
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MW65

Wetside, Oregon
I have an older 311291 single cav, which works very well in my marlin 336.. casts a bit oversized in the body, but is a scuff fit in the throat. I don't think you'll do wrong with the 311291.

Edit: also the Rcbs 30-180 fp, might be something else to try....
 
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popper

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Tested the 145gr PCd (31-142C) in CVA and BO pistol today with WSF powder. I like. Pistol didn't do lockback but ejected OK with single loader mag. Reg 223 magpul fed bad (usual) so not a good cycling test - forgot the Lancer mags. CVA was jamming the lands, pistol was OK (red dot sight). Also did WSF under 165 TC in the 40sw. Little stouter (5gr) than my 231(4.5gr) load but quite accurate for this old shooter. Didn't chrony but pistol should be ~1300+, cva 14500+.pistol09112023.jpg

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Rockydoc

Rockydoc

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Ben said:

JWinAZ​


I'm certain that Tom at Accurate Moulds would custom design your mould for the short / no throat situation . Tom is a great fellow to do business with.

http://www.accuratemolds.com/catalog.php?page=all
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I agree with Ben. I would suggest you do a "pound cast" of your chamber/throat and get Tom to make a clone of the Saeco 315 which he calls 31-175B. You can specify what alloy you will be using and tell him what dimensions you want for each band if you like.

That is what I did for my Ruger #1 30-30. It likes that bullet.
 
fiver

fiver

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sundog said:
RCBS 7.62-130-SPL
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forgot about that one.

i like the rcbs 150 GC in the lever rifles and in several other bolt guns.
i gotta watch the nose on mine since they tend to swell up a touch in about a years time making them a tick tight.
handled easily by a crimp in the groove, if i want to take the round back out.
shoot a lot of ground squirrels with the 0-6 and the 150 FN though.
 
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