Cup hollow point

[jordanka16]

Anyone tried this style of hollow point and have anything positive to say? I thought they would be less liable to fragment than a regular hollow point, but more likely to expand or maybe just induce tumbling than a flat point.

Kind of a pain though, periodically one sticks and tears out, so I get a higher reject rate than normal, is it worth it over a plain flat point?

These are for my henry X in .45 colt for subsonic loads so they're pretty soft, about 8 bun. You can see the nose tearing I'm talking about on the left.

Probably just use them for targets or nutria, but I wouldn't be averse to using them on deer if I see good performance.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I like them in my 350 & 450 deer bullets.

Initiates expansion yet with good alloy dosent over expand. ( for me)

CW

 

[Wasalmonslayer]

I like the cup or dish points a lot!!
My favorite hp style.

 

[Rick]

The problem with the cavity and tearing could well be the spud too cool. Keep it hot and see if the problem gets any better.

 

[jordanka16]

The problem with the cavity and tearing could well be the spud too cool. Keep it hot and see if the problem gets any better.

It seems to be random, I'll get several good pours and then then one will stick and tear. I'm using an MP mold and this was the first time using it so perhaps it just needs to break in more. Next time I'll see if going a little faster reduces the number of incidences. It seems like this style is a winner so I'm looking forward to trying them out.

 

[Bret4207]

IME unless the velocity is getting up there, even with softer alloys, expansion in flesh is a real iffy/doesn't happen thing. You have a .45 cal bullet to start with, how much bigger hole do you need? I've found FP's work across a much, much wider range of alloys/speeds than HP's and are lots easier to cast.

 

[Winelover]

I have a MP 250 grain, 44 caliber RNFP mold, that has pins for HP, cup and solid. No issues with ladle casting with any of the pins. I put mold on hot plate while alloy is melting. With 20-1 alloy the weights are 248 for HP, 240 for cup and 250 for the solid. In my Marlin, the cup point has a very slight accuracy edge over the HP or solid. I figure the cup would be the best of the two designs, if shredding petals were a concern.

Haven't used any on deer, yet................I harvest most of my venison during archery season. I have my own range with a river sand berm. I've dug a few out. They all seem to hold together, even with a sand back stop.

 

[Rally]

I am a big fan of the Dp bullets because my rifles are. I buy the Noe Rg4 moulds and try equal number of rounds with each style. So far the Dp is more accurate than either the Fp or Hp, and quite a lot more accurate than the Hp’s. I’m leaning towards using the Hp’s in defense ammo, in pistols only.

 

[Creeker]

The shallow hollow point works for me. I call it a cup point. In my 357 it destroys varmints.

 

[Ben]

311290's Cup Point.
I like this mould.

 

[Bret4207]

The shallow hollow point works for me. I call it a cup point. In my 357 it destroys varmints.

I'm trying to imagine a varmint that a 357 wouldn't destroy!!!

 

[5shot]

I just got my NOE 460-396 with all the pins. I have cast up a bunch of the Cup Points and will be giving them a try in my 45-70 Contender.

 

[Creeker]

I'm trying to imagine a varmint that a 357 wouldn't destroy!!!

You would need an extensive imagination & maybe several double gulps of sour mash.

 

[358156 hp]

Cup point? Did someone mention a cup point? This ain't a wadcutter by the way.