Early 80's Savage 110HV - .223 / 1-14" Twist

[David Reiss]

I have a Savage 110HV in .223 with a 1-14" twist that was bought new about 1983-85. Most of my experience has been with jacketed bullets, but now I want to start with some CBs. I have the Lee "Bator" C225-55-RF & Lyman 225438 molds. Any experience with these bullets or recommendations for other molds would be appreciated. Loads & anything else that would help please let me know. Thanks to all ahead of time

 

[RBHarter]

I had a 222 that shot the 225-55 fp NOE very well . I shot the original 50 gr Bator also . Both shot almost as well as factory jacketed in 50-55 gr sp and hp from FC , Rem and Hornady . I was surprised by how fast they were , 2500 fps was a walk , with Unique turning in +- 2000 fps . 4198 did well here but for consolidation H322 sacrifices a fraction of accuracy .

The 223 I had was 1-8 and a 16" gas gun . H322 for about 2500 fps with the NOE gave me better groups than 55 gr fmj from PMC ,FC and Rem .

I think the 222 was a 12 twist . The NOE copy of the 22-55 tips in at 62 gr plus lube and check .

Both proved to be easy to find good loads for at great velocities with good groups . The 222 was a 49' 325 C Savage . The 223 was a Wilson or Mossberg bbl AR of 2012 .

 

[Josh]

I have ran some 55 gr cast at cat sneeze loads in my 222, this makes me want to get them spun up to 2200 fps or more.

 

[freebullet]

I used the Bator over reduced charges of h335 but, it didn't feed well. The test was discontinued in favor of slender nose design for feeding. Accuracy showed promise but, the barrel was 1-9 twist.

I'd be tempted to try the noe 37gr with the twist you have. The lyman might do well too. Looking forward to your test results.

 

[waco]

I have the Bator mold...(shrug) I bought the newer Lee 55gr FP mold. Looks more like the RCBS mold.
I need to test this in my CZ 527 .221 Fireball and my Ruger M77 22-250

 

[KHornet]

I found the bator to long for my 222, but shoots well in my 223 1-9 twist.
Suggest for 1-14 twist a 37 or 40, or 45. Would bet they would all shoot
well.

Pan

 

[Intheshop]

Lee 55 FP (RCBS,kinda) pretty much was an easy process here.22-250,1-14,4198.Early'ish,Savage 110,pencil thin 24" brrl.

First time run'n CB's in .224.Under the direct tutelage of site members here.Got acceptable acc with good vel #s .Would have to look at notes for specifics.

Will say,as was noted in the initial workup...this new mould,my first boolits were showing some serious problems.Wrinkles basically.But dang,they printed nice round groups.The overall pkg,was telling more on paper....watching vert strung groups going in and out of "tune" moreso than watching chrono numbers,if that makes sense?

 

[fiver]

try 11 grs of 2400 with the lee copy.
if you wanna get crazy then I-4895 is a good one to go with. [or 4064/varget]
ruthlessly throw back the junk.

 

[David Reiss]

Thanks for the info, but please more. I am trying to get this rifle to like cast bullets, just in case we have a regime change and jacketed ones get too expensive.

 

[Josh]

Thanks for the info, but please more. I am trying to get this rifle to like cast bullets, just in case we have a regime change and jacketed ones get too expensive.

I have ran the Lyman 225646 at 1087 FPS from my 1-14 twist 222. It did well enough that I will revisit shooting cast in this rifle. I followed Ian's technique in using Titegroup at 2.5 gr.

I too have been wanting to develop my 222 more just to ensure I can shoot at 22 LR velocities up to low end 222 stuff.

 

[Intheshop]

I stopped 22-250 development due to time in our shop.Need to.make a D reamer that is the shape of boolit nose.Ream a new top punch,facing it off a .001" or so short of the driving band.

Sorta hybrid bumping.Did it on a RCBS
243/6mm.Shows on paper.Turned a cpl of our rifle pkgs into bug holers.

Will go into shop tomorrow a.m. and get r done.....then it's back to sausage production.Haha.Sat up last night pretty late with a cpl phd's.One is a chemist the other is math/physics.I'm bringing up the rear from 40 yrs as a shop manager.The topic has to do with the future of components.There's not only hope,it's a logical,next step.So "regimes" can go pound sand.

You didn't say what your pkg(rifle/load) concerns are?Mine was jackn varmints.You looking for bug holes,plinking,high vel #s?

 

[David Reiss]

I am wanted to develop loads for CB matches.

 

[freebullet]

Would low velocity plain base be OK or are you looking for high velocity?

 

[David Reiss]

It can be PB or GC, I won't have any issues with either up to 2200 fps.

 

[freebullet]

I'll check through my notes. I had some nice low velocity loads worked out for a handi that would probably do well for you. Hopefully I can find it soon.

 

[David Reiss]

Thanks, no hurry.

 

[fiver]

my goal was velocity with accuracy so I went the full ocd route.
visual culling.
weight sorting.
gas check annealing.
harder alloy.
4/6/90 was where I ended up after trying lino-type and ww alloy.
then I chased down lube viscosity.
I ended at 22.5grs of IMR 4895 [not the H-type]
in neck sized cases with .0015 neck tension.

I bought a 2 cavity rcbs 055-s mold from Pat Iffland a number of years back.
then I opened the nose section right in front of the front drive band by lapping that area.
the higher Tin alloy is because that section of the boolit takes the brunt of the boolit slamming into the barrel and helping to 'hold the fort' until everything can find the centerline of the barrel.
that happening and the use of IMR 4895 is part of the timing needed to get everything in the barrel before accelerating it along.
change to the H-type and it blows everything out of sync.

 

[KHornet]

Good info Fiver!

 

[Intheshop]

If looking for bughole groups...

Your bench etiquette is going to be a major concern.That's the "software",the hardware is your Fr,rr,rests and how they play with your stock design.Then it's back to the soft side and how your chosen load recoil pulses.

Get as wide/flat...and balanced (overall pkg) forend on your shootn arn as allowed by rules.Forget (CRS) which co. makes the "accuracy assister".It's an aluminum channel that attaches to your Fr sling stud.It's,OK...but leaves a cpl things on the table(ha).Meaning with initiative,you can fabricate much better.You're trying to enlarge the window during the recoil pulse that's the sweet spot on your hold.

Speaking of which,your load balance,and gets real technical on (bullets) bearing length/velocity/twist/BC.Bryan Litz?Pretty much lays the smack down on this...googling will find him.One trick to fully test your load's balance is ho it handles wind.Don't always wait for perfect,calm shooting days....

We set up archery arrows weight balance noticeably different for indoor vs outdoor...and slightly heavy (FWD)yet in windy outside conditions.Just another consideration.We run parallel testing,calm days...windy.And end up with two different setups.And NEVER shoot without wind flags.This all based on competition...hunting,plinking don't have "quite" the importance on some of this.For instance,buds bags are better,IMO,than heavy BR style rests for non competition pkgs.

 

[David Reiss]

My bench etiquette is fine and I am up to date on what I need to do to be competitive. I am just looking for experience with Savage .223 / 1-14" or similar set up.