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Mainiac

Well-Known Member
Do any of you fellers belong to facebook groups?
I visit a pile of them,but rarely contribute.
Its sad to see how much stupidity there is,in this casting/loading/shooting hobby,that i enjoy so much.
I was just reading about crimp/noncrimp in a ar15 223,,,and them fools really got heated.the arm chair expurts,have huge egos,,,,
 

richhodg66

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There are an awful lot of guys who reload who can follow directions but don't really understand what they're doing. Case in point, a few years ago, a young guy asked a question, he had a whole lot of 150 grain FMJs which he shoots in his M1A, could he use them in his .30-30 lever gun for practice if he only single loaded them (so he COULD think) and was immediately inundated by about a hundred experts who shrieked that if those bullets got anywhere in the same ip code as a lever gun, the sky would fall, the world economy would collapse, all his male offspring would be sterile, etc. The guy was young, but he had thought it through and all the "more experienced" types didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

The thing that gets me is all the absolutes that get tossed around."You absolutely MUST put a heavy roll crimp on a revolver round". You absolutely MUST adhere to the overall length in a manual" You absolutely MUST not ever substuitute primers, bullets of the same weight, etc."

There really are some stupid SOBs out there.
 

richhodg66

Well-Known Member
I let myself get drawn into a rather ugly pissing contest on one a while back (actually kind of enjoyed it, though, the little devil on my shoulder made me do it). An inexperienced guy asked if he could load .45 ACP on the .45 Long Colt dies he had. Immediately the shrieking started about how stupid he was and how he was "gonna blow himself up!" (my favorite phrase amongst the experts, any little deviation will "blow you up" when really, only a mistake on powder charging will and that has nothing to do with dies, worst case is you get ammo that won't chamber, and I said as much which cause a lot of scoffing from the "experts".

So I wnet out to the shop, dug out my Lee .45 Colt dies and a handful of .45 ACP brass. Obviously, used a different shell holder, but everything else was .45 Colt. Had to screw that seating die down as far as it would go to get the crimp shoulder to take the flare out of the case mouth but all of them dropped into the Wilson case gauge like they should, took them outside and rattled off all of them through an AMT HArdballer without incident.

Went back and reported my findings to an avalanche of "you're gonna blow yourself up!" of "You're lying, that couldn't possibly work!"

Well, it DID work, however, it really shouldn't have, there is enough difference in case dimensions that it leads me to believe Lee uses the same carbide ring in both and those dies were over sizing my .45 Colt brass so I went back to my old steel RCBS dies. But... anytime somebody throws absolutes out, I question it. I won't always try it, but figured I was smart enough to give that a go and find out without hurting anything.
 

glassparman

"OK, OK, I'm going as fast as I don't want to go!"
I stay clear of most social media for just this reason.

I only frequent a few gun sites but some are just as bad. The invisibility of those in the discussion makes them bold and rude. Most would never talk like that in person.
 

richhodg66

Well-Known Member
Then there are the times I relate how I have interpolated data or developed data for something there is no data for. I shot up 4+ pounds of Alcan 120 which had damn little data for anything, but the little I did find said it burned about like Red Dot and since Lyman had Red Dot data for EVERYTHING, I shot it up using Red Dot starting data and had a good old time with no issues.

Of course, all the shriekers had to tell me I was bound to "blow myself up", but I wish I could get my hands on four more pounds of Alcan 120 for free, it was good stuff. Sure metered better than Red Dot.
 

richhodg66

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Where I really enjoy social media pages is in entertainment (oldmovies, TV, etc.) or photography of local interest pages and I'm on a bunch of them. I think I have three or fur in my feed just on Star Trek alone. Reloaders tend to be a kind of anal retentive bunch and like I said, many, if not most, can follow a process, but don't really understand it. On the general interest forums for other stuff I like, it avoids contentious issues.

I love the thread we have here for old photos and I could swamp that one with stuff I find fascinating I get all the time if I let myself. Social media doesn't have to be the demon some think it is.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
I'm back to loading for my new .223 and I don't crimp at all; but it's a bolt gun, ALWAYS crimp for the AR's.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Yeah I’m a member of 3 or 4 other reloading sites and haven’t contributed much because of the harpies. I started out just lurking and answering any questions I had that way, then I would post a question and sometimes it was good other times the BS received was a turn off. So I have only contributed to these other sites maybe an average of 100 times or so over the years. Unlike this site where I have and continue to inflict myself on you guys and I don’t think too many of you have put me on ignore. Well maybe Brad.
No this site is a breath of fresh air. I don’t feel uncomfortable asking questions here as I’ll get good feedback without the BS. Of course that doesn’t mean I follow the advice, you know what they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. Or think.
I don’t do Social Media at all.
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
I let myself get drawn into a rather ugly pissing contest on one a while back (actually kind of enjoyed it, though, the little devil on my shoulder made me do it). An inexperienced guy asked if he could load .45 ACP on the .45 Long Colt dies he had. Immediately the shrieking started about how stupid he was and how he was "gonna blow himself up!" (my favorite phrase amongst the experts, any little deviation will "blow you up" when really, only a mistake on powder charging will and that has nothing to do with dies, worst case is you get ammo that won't chamber, and I said as much which cause a lot of scoffing from the "experts".

So I wnet out to the shop, dug out my Lee .45 Colt dies and a handful of .45 ACP brass. Obviously, used a different shell holder, but everything else was .45 Colt. Had to screw that seating die down as far as it would go to get the crimp shoulder to take the flare out of the case mouth but all of them dropped into the Wilson case gauge like they should, took them outside and rattled off all of them through an AMT HArdballer without incident.

Went back and reported my findings to an avalanche of "you're gonna blow yourself up!" of "You're lying, that couldn't possibly work!"

Well, it DID work, however, it really shouldn't have, there is enough difference in case dimensions that it leads me to believe Lee uses the same carbide ring in both and those dies were over sizing my .45 Colt brass so I went back to my old steel RCBS dies. But... anytime somebody throws absolutes out, I question it. I won't always try it, but figured I was smart enough to give that a go and find out without hurting anything.
My Hornady dies are labeled for 45 ACP, 45 AR, and 45 Colt IIRC. I once had a set of dies for 45 Colt marked "45 Colt .454 dia." I tend to avoid most groups, and sites anymore unless I have some sort of ulterior motive :). I've also given up trying to teach pigs to sing, it's a waste of my time and it only annoys the pig.
 

smokeywolf

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Only time I've ever been on fb, IG, TT or even X is when I landed on it by accidentally clicking a link to a piece of info or a picture. That adds up to total of maybe a half dozen times. No interest in or use for the "social media" sites. I spend more time on this site than the other 2 or 3 hobby related sites where I'm also a member.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Wasn't the Internet supposed to make us all smarter, y'know - easy access to all that information out there?

"The information age." Yeah, I'm still laughing about that one too.

Anyone remember the historical reference of "the lunatics running the asylum?" This is THAT on a world-wide basis, no holds barred, and it's set up to favor the lunatics.

And people I know wonder why I am asocial.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I'm on a few . I was accused of being a troll over a loading tray which as it turns out is a discontinued 100 round 410 ammo can . It wasn't a loading tray at all .

Most of the time there's useful information shared .
 

Michael

Active Member. Uh/What
There are an awful lot of guys who reload who can follow directions but don't really understand what they're doing. Case in point, a few years ago, a young guy asked a question, he had a whole lot of 150 grain FMJs which he shoots in his M1A, could he use them in his .30-30 lever gun for practice if he only single loaded them (so he COULD think) and was immediately inundated by about a hundred experts who shrieked that if those bullets got anywhere in the same ip code as a lever gun, the sky would fall, the world economy would collapse, all his male offspring would be sterile, etc. The guy was young, but he had thought it through and all the "more experienced" types didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

The thing that gets me is all the absolutes that get tossed around."You absolutely MUST put a heavy roll crimp on a revolver round". You absolutely MUST adhere to the overall length in a manual" You absolutely MUST not ever substuitute primers, bullets of the same weight, etc."

There really are some stupid SOBs out there.

Back when I learned to reload and cast the were only two avenues to obtain information, books and magazines (some better, some worse), I had to read and try, and read, fiddle with it, and try again, buy another book and repeat. Today with pretty much everything is at our fingertips and just because someone thinks that they know what in hell they are writing about does not make them knowledgeable enough or have sufficient experience to be a creditable source of information.

To listen to all of the keyboard marksmen/reloaders out there, all of my firearms/loads are the most inaccurate ones known in modern history.

A lot what can be found on social media is exaggerated, BS, a display of parroted ignorance, and/or willful arrogance. When someone asks me about good sites to learn where to reload and/cast, I tell them to go purchase several good reloading manuals, read them, then read them again. In all fairness the internet and/or social does have a number of sincere, honest, humble and well intended people that share some good stuff, but for the most part it will never replace a good library in your shop filled with books.

Oh, one last thing, am I not suppose to use jacketed data for cast bullets..... oops, my bad.........
 
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richhodg66

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I first got on an internet forum maybe around 99 and it was a forum specifically about the Kawasaki KZ series motorcycles because I got a KZ1100 with the intention of a complete restoration. Well, that never came to fuition and I eventually sold theproject and all the stuff I accumulated to a really good guy I met through that forum.

Bottom line, I don't know how anybody evcer did something likekeep an old vehicle in operation let alone retore an old one before the internet. Just the parts availability alone, never mind the number of die hard motorheads I met who could tell you how to rebuild that four bank of carbs and then synch thenm in their sleep.

I learned how to reload and cast the good old fashioned way from growing up around it and having my Dad as a mentor even after I left home. That said, I can really see how a web forum could be extremely attractive to a guy who didn't have that set of circumstances and wanted to learn how.

The first gun and shooting related forum I was on was the old handloads.com which died. I think Rex on here is the last person from that one I still have any contact with, sadly. It really was a good forum with helpful guys and a gentlemanly atmosphere. Castboolits used to be really good, and it some ways it probably still is, just too many A holes and when the majority of threads are about cars or some members love life problems instead of shooting and loading, it's time to find another forum.
 

Mainiac

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There is certain groups on facebook,that is geared toward specialized guns.
I belong to a couple of them,that are longrifles.
See alot of original rifles posted on there.exellent chance to see this stuff.and all that sexy curly maple,,,,,,o my!!!!
 

Mainiac

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I have been a member over on the other site,since 2005,,shooters before that.i dont post much over there anymore.its not the same,way to many members now,and it seems to be filled with egos.
Im so glad i found where all the old renegades went,when i stumbled onto this place.this is like it used to be,over there.
I thank you guys,for your efforts.