Good deal on brass - 25-20

[Glaciers]

Well I wanted to pass on a company in Collinsville, Ohio called ET Brass. Their website is http://www.etbrass.com/Rifle_Brass.html.
Nice folks, I just picked up their last 150 Winchester 25-20 cases. They might get more, so you could give them a call and get on the list. They have had 25-20 on backorder for five years. They carry quite a few brands and a good verity off calibers.

 

[hporter]

John,

Thank you for the link.

Maybe this means that Winchester has made a recent run of this brass and it will be more widely available soon.

 

[hporter]

For anyone else that is curious, I contacted ET Brass today and they replied they had no idea when they may get more. But suggested I check their site periodically under the new arrivals menu item.

 

[Glaciers]

I Felt lucky get the last bit of what they had in stock. But I did not find it anywhere else. As fast as it goes I would hunt all the other likely spots as some may trickle in. Apparently There's been a seasonally run produced.

 

[CZ93X62]

Starline already makes 32/20 WCF. I am a little surprised that SL hasn't taken up this gaunlet and run with it.

 

[hporter]

I have bugged them for years to make a run.

I saw a thread on the Cast Bullet Association website from April this year where member "Balhincher" received this reply from Starline from his inquiry:

"Thank you for your request. It is a very popular one. Unfortunately not one we plan on producing, at least not any time soon. A lot of times customers complain that it is a pain in the rear to form those calibers from .32-20, and say it would be a lot easier for them to just buy it from us finished. The problem with that is that as hard as it is to form 1 at a time for them, it is even harder to do it on a machine that runs 100 parts per minute! Plus, there are some slight differences in body diameter dimensions between the 25-20/Bee and the .32-20. While our .32-20 is in the middle of the tolerance for its body diameter, it is actually slightly bigger than the max diameter for the .25-20/Bee. This doesn't cause a problem in very many firearms, but since it isn't in spec, we would have to start from scratch on all of the dies and tooling anyway.


Regards,

Hunter Pilant
Process Manager
Chief Ballistician "


BTW, this thread also had some advice on forming the brass from 32-20. It might be useful to some here.

Why no 25-20 or 218 bee cases

 

[Glaciers]

Et brass lists 218 Bee at $51 per 100, don't know if they have it in stock. Midway lists 218 as being in stock but $39 per 50.

 

[Glaciers]

Just checked Buffalo Arms and they have Winchester 25-20 in stock

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[Cadillac Jeff]

Thank's John-----got some on the way!!

 

[Ian]

If it's that difficult to make now, how difficult was it 125 years ago?

 

[Glaciers]

If it's that difficult to make now, how difficult was it 125 years ago?

Your just being a wet blanket

I like correct head stamps

 

[Brad]

Not a wet blanket, just need to understand Ian.
He would first uniform every case to make them identical as possible. He would then use a brass braze to fill in the existing headstamp. Using his lathe he would clean up the head and rim to uniform them. He would then use a stamp and case holder, of his own design and make, to restamp the head with a marking of his liking.

In the end Ian would have 14.5 hours of work in each of his 50 cases. He would have repurposed 14 car parts and built, and rebuilt, a heat treat oven but by golly he would be at least minimally satisfied.

 

[Ole_270]

Got some ordered though I prefer the Remington version. I've also converted some 32-20, but like having the proper headspace. The lighter load I've been using in my 1906 built M94 Marlin doesn't stress cases near like the full powered loads so I should be set for a long time.

 

[Glaciers]

Not a wet blanket, just need to understand Ian.
He would first uniform every case to make them identical as possible. He would then use a brass braze to fill in the existing headstamp. Using his lathe he would clean up the head and rim to uniform them. He would then use a stamp and case holder, of his own design and make, to restamp the head with a marking of his liking.

In the end Ian would have 14.5 hours of work in each of his 50 cases. He would have repurposed 14 car parts and built, and rebuilt, a heat treat oven but by golly he would be at least minimally satisfied.

No I understand. He's a wee bit of a perfectionist.
But for a guy like me that is all thumbs when it comes to work like that, well the only time I have apposable thumbs is if I'm working with wood. Big timbers preferably. My only problem is that big stuff is getting kinda heavy. I can make just about anything work, like when I ran vessels for years in the Ocean out of Prince William Sound, I always came back under my own power. Sometimes just, but I always come back.
So Brad you have laid out a very good description, and I have followed along with Ian's in depth knowledge on many subjects, (always enlightened by, and appreciate such a person) which doesn't mean I even can, or would be able to follow his teachings.
Which brings me back to the "wet blanket" award I in jest laid on Ian's head. You, and I'm sure you do understand that a deserved award of such a caliber, is freely given to a person with greater abilities then the person doing the awarding. You on the other hand might be lining yourself up for such a self inflicted award.

I don't see the need or understand the possibility of that need, but, do here by apologize to anyone I have, or will, insult now, or in the future.

Got some ordered though I prefer the Remington version. I've also converted some 32-20, but like having the proper headspace. The lighter load I've been using in my 1906 built M94 Marlin doesn't stress cases near like the full powered loads so I should be set for a long time.

I as well see no need to hot rod this little cartridge. I will have 200 cases that I'm sure will last beyond my days of being able to keep both ends of the rifle off the ground at the same time.

 

[Rick]

If it's that difficult to make now, how difficult was it 125 years ago?

I don't think it would be any more difficult now as Starline said with the correct tooling. Starline also said that the request was a popular one which would lead me to think it should be worthwhile to tool up for it, even if was something they would run only every 2-3 years. With that said I fully confess that I have no idea what it costs them to tool up for a new caliber.

 

[Glaciers]

It's always the bean counters in a successful business. Which is the angle, a decision like this is of course made. If Winchester and Remington stopped altogether, and the used market dried up before more firearms wears out, or us old farts die off......