IDEAL 429303

[CWLONGSHOT]

Any one seen this One before?



Its a 44 cal bullet. What was it designed for? When did it come to be.

I know it cuts a fine hole!! Oddly its a gas check design.



CW

 

[Ben]

" The penetrator "

 

[Bisley]

CW-

We had one of these when I was a kid. Called the High Velo-Pen by the designer, it was intended to pierce metal. According to the designer's writeup, it would go through 3/16' hot-rolled steel at 25 feet using (ADVISORY!! EXCESSIVE LOAD NOT RECOMMENDED ANYWHERE ELSE, EVEN IN THE LYMAN MANUAL IN WHICH THE WRITEUP APPEARED.) 26.5 grains 2400 in a .44 magnum case. He also compared it against 240-grain factory loads (swaged lead SWC) and found it would punch through over 4" of green wood "while the factory load stayed on the inside." IIRC, the Lymman manual I read came out in the late 1950s. Those publications were a bit on the wild side.

Dad carried them, over 24.5 grains 2400, in a Model 29, for protection in the Alaskan wilderness. I fired a couple, and stopped. They were cool bullets to cast, however.

The 429303 saw a brief resurgence during the Clinton Gun Control Panic of 1993-95. I recall molds, primers, powder, etc becoming scarce for several months (Primers went for 50.00 a carton in some markets). After that, Lyman stopped making them and I have not seen them. With the current corps of custom manufacturers, the 429303 is unique, but the capabilities are not as scarce as way-back-when.

Hope this helps. It's been years since I read the article. Maybe Google "44 Magnum High-Velo-Pen."

Bisley

 

[RBHarter]

NOE lists several similar bullets in 44&45 cal .

 

[358156 hp]

I've seen the "Penetrator" design referred to as "armor piercing", which makes me laugh. It's still a cast lead bullet. I remember a guy all breathless and excited on the other site about having heat-treated them to make them armor piercing. I think he was planning of destroying tanks with them or something. There are occasional references to this as being a "spirepoint" design for long distance use as well. It always appeared to me to be designed to disrupt soft targets for the first few inches, then lose momentum. 200ish grains and a gas check for high velocity. I would expect hunters to find them really destructive of meat at the entry point, but lacking in penetration. I wouldn't expect that conical point to retain its shape much past the point of impact (NPI).

 

[Cadillac Jeff]

Yes I have 1 too------& it is very good in my SBH Ruger,cuts a nice clean hole !
NOE also has it in 357 with or with out a GC << well he has had it don't know if he has it instock?

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I have the 357 version as well . Its 125 g

CW

 

[RicinYakima]

Years ago when they tested these on waxed paper milk cartons (remember those?) they were round nosed after the first one.

 

[fiver]

in lethal weapon-3 they painted them with red magic marker and shot through danny glovers bullet proof vest with mad max's 45 acp.

okay, you got the point.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

in lethal weapon-3 they painted them with red magic marker and shot through danny glovers bullet proof vest with mad max's 45 acp.

okay, you got the point.

. HAHAHAHA. HOLLYWOOD...

 

[Wallyl]

I never owned or used the 429303 mold; have been told by an avid shooter it is horribly inaccurate so I never bothered to obtain one. However it is legendary with its penetration. Not a good one for a carbine in a tubular magazine.