Interesting 2400 Observation

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300BLK

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IMO, 2400 is far more useful than H110/296. Its flexible in that it can be shot at less than near-max to max pressure. I like IMR4227 for the same reason.

I use H110/296 in heavier bullet (160gr+) cast and 110gr jacketed 300BLK loads, but had used it in heavy cast bullet 357mag carbine loads in the past.
 
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TXTad

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300BLK said:
IMO, 2400 is far more useful than H110/296. Its flexible in that it can be shot at less than near-max to max pressure. I like IMR4227 for the same reason.

I use H110/296 in heavier bullet (160gr+) cast and 110gr jacketed 300BLK loads, but had used it in heavy cast bullet 357mag carbine loads in the past.
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I do believe that I understand that while 2400 is happier in a wider range of pressures, I think it likes to do its work at 20 kpsi and higher. Which is perfect as I am interested in .357 and .44 loads in the 25 to 30 kpsi range.
 
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richhodg66

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Unique, Herco, etc. Work great with cast loads in the .357 and .44, and much more economical. Unless you're trying to eek out every foot per second, those medium burn rate powders are the way to go. Doesn't take much to punch holes in paper, but even for hunting, ten grains of Unique, and a 240ish grain SWC in your .44 will ruin Bambi's day quite thoroughly at sane distances.
 
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richhodg66 said:
Unique, Herco, etc. Work great with cast loads in the .357 and .44, and much more economical. Unless you're trying to eek out every foot per second, those medium burn rate powders are the way to go. Doesn't take much to punch holes in paper, but even for hunting, ten grains of Unique, and a 240ish grain SWC in your .44 will ruin Bambi's day quite thoroughly at sane distances.
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You are not wrong. I use a lot of Unique, WC-244 (my favorite when I'm not doing something that specifically needs Unique since it's available and inexpensive by current standards), and I just bought an 8# jug of BE-86.
 
Winelover

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
2400 is the most useful & versatile powders out there, for the pistol/carbine cartridges I load for............357 Mag, 44 Mag & 44 Special, as well as Ruger Only 45 L.C. In a pinch, it can be used even in 38 Special.

I don't do low node rifle, or even moderate. So 2400 is saved for the above mentioned cartridges. Upon opening the last 8# jug, I'm looking for another. If it wasn't for 9mm, that would be the only handgun powder I would need. So I try to keep, Bullseye & Unique around. Unique is harder to find than 2400, lately. I'm conserving the remnants of a 8#er by recently purchasing a 8# jug of W-231 powder.
 
bruce381

bruce381

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funny I looked over my loads, they are mostly full throttle 296 stuff or powder puff 231. But when I started my local powder guys was 100% winchester so thats what I started with primers too. For those guys here in Cali in the know he turned into Miwall in Grass valley.
 
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richhodg66

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I have gone as low as 1.5 grains of Bullseye for squirrels and it wrks fine, but two grains puts it above sonic (at least from the sound of it) and is easier as I have a rotor for mt Lil Dandy that throws it.
 
Bret4207

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dale2242 said:
Being old school and an Elmer Keith fan, I started loading 357 and 44 Mag heavy loads with 2400.
I finally switched over to H110/296.
Don`t get me wrong, 2400 is still one of the most versatile powders out there and I still use it.
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First thing I ever reloaded was the 32-20 with a Lee "whack-a-mole" die set and 10.0 2400 with the 311316. I figured if it was what Elmer recommended, it was good enough for me. Boy, was it LOUD!!!
 
fiver

fiver

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AA#-9 is more useful to me in the 300 BO than H-110.
but 110 will fling out those 100-125gr. jacketed bullets to some pretty good velocities, basically making it the X39 light.
 
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richhodg66

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I was in the Cabelas in Wichita with Dad today, noticed once again a bottle of Ramshot Enforcer, which I have heard is a good substitute for 2400 (no 2400 in the store). Anybody use Enforcer in applications where 2400 is a good choice?
 
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Ian

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No but I've used a lot of True Blue which is just barely on the faster side of 2400. It is good and consistent stuff if dirty just like 2400. Cool thing is I've loaded everything from target .38s to full-power .44 Magnum with it and it actually is more versatile than Unique.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

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I picked up s bottle of enforcer last year for first time. I dont look at it as replacement for anything. Its simply another choice in powders.
I tried it in 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster. It worked. It was accurate, but not a standout. Its good to have choices.

296 is my goto for most 350 jacketed loads and vv120 for 450.

CW
 
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TXTad

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richhodg66 said:
I was in the Cabelas in Wichita with Dad today, noticed once again a bottle of Ramshot Enforcer, which I have heard is a good substitute for 2400 (no 2400 in the store). Anybody use Enforcer in applications where 2400 is a good choice?
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If the burn rate charts I have found can be believed, it's quite a bit slower. Their next faster powder is True Blue which seems to be somewhere between Unique and Herco in burn rate. It looks like nobody has a 2400 equivalent. CFE Pistol is a little slower, but about the closest thing I can find in burn rate to 2400 with some Google-fu.
 
Winelover

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
waco said:
I’ve been meaning to pick up and try some True Blue.
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I did and won't be buying anymore. Didn't pan out in the accuracy department in the 9mm CZ carbine. Plus it's an ultra fine ball powder. Don't spill any cause you'll never find it.......................some leaked out on to the platen of the Chargemaster, under the pan. The pan was sliding around like it was on ball bearings. Then there can be a serious issue with double charging, if your not extremely careful. Just not seeing any advantages on having it around. The remnants of that initial pound will be burnt up in the 44 Special revolvers.
 
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300BLK

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Missionary said:
Issue with "burn charts" is what chambering do they test with.
A straight wall and bottleneck and / or large or small case are certainly to much of variables to really plop a number on a powder.
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I see Ramshot Enforcer #55 and Alliant 2400 #54 on the burn rate chart. The same chart shows Hodgdon Longshot #51 and Blue Dot #48, and I found them to act oppositely, ie Longshot peaking more quickly than Blue Dot in both 12ga and 223.
 
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