Is this enough lube?

[RicinYakima]

quicksylver and Ian,

Back in the 1990's when I just began cast bullet benchrest match shooting, there was a lot of controversy over bore condition during a match. Do you clean every 5, 10, 20 shots? what with? If you don't use SuperOwlSecretions will you have leading in your bore? If you use "X" lube do you have to clean with "Y" bore cleaner?

So having settled on two or three lubes, I worked out what was effective cleaning program for 70 to 90 degree benchrest weather. Amyl acetate (the banana scent in Hoppes #9) doesn't do anything but cover up the other organic smells. And it is just an average cleaner for cast bullets because it is not good at removing greases/waxes.

Ric

 

[fiver]

a plain ol tight fitting patch is about all the warm weather cleaning that's necessary.

 

[quicksylver]

What fun is there using something in the manner in which it was designed? We know it should work with tumble lube.

Shoudn't it read.." We know it should work with tumble lube...? But remember tumble lube should be all over the bullet...just extra in the grouves...I have no idea what I just said...

 

[RicinYakima]

Fiver, What I settled on was one stroke with a nylon bore brush, one wet patch of Ed's Red then one dry patch at the end of a 100 shot day. Next morning it is one dry patch and go to work. I had found out that shooting in places with high humidity, over 30%, the primer residue and powder coating from A2400 tend to build up in front of the chamber. OH, and this is all with original military barrels we are required to shoot in CBA Military matches, no $500 benchrest barrels turned down to contour with match chambers.

 

[fiver]

I can see the build up happening with enough humidity, I get some pretty grungy cases here from time to time even with the higher pressure jacketed loads and we rarely get over 30% humidity.
i have some just fire formed 7 mauser cases, i was sorting through today which were about an 80% load and they look like i filled them with lube and covered them with graphite.
about 275 rounds in and groups suddenly went to about 3".
after cleaning the rifle out they went back under 3/4".
i know there is more gunk in there to get out but i got other stuff to do.

 

[Ian]

*cough cough* soap lube *cough*......

 

[fiver]

i think i kinda figured that too much soap lube thing out.
i went back to the torch test on some of it and could see it flowing.
not the soap itself but a clear wash that flowed over the surface it acted like a barrier between the torch and the soap.
[that flowing reminded me of a boat on top of the water being pushed by a gentle wind]
the bullet was just skating over the surface, hydroplaning if you will, from the lube wetting up in the barrel.
and then it trapped all the gunk coming behind the projectile.
cleaned some out one shot some more another less the third then more again.
once you let it all settle down and cool off it became smooth and grabby again.
and you could shoot those fantastic groups again.
then it started flowing and the cycle started all over, and the bullets just started climbing the target.
it was like the opposite of a cold start shot where the first few went right into the group and everything else was fighting a high friction bore.

 

[freebullet]

What fun is there using something in the manner in which it was designed? We know it should work with tumble lube.

Well, uh, what he's shown us in the pick should work. The bullet ain't a TL design & so, that would be more of a test, even though I think it'd work.

it looks cooler this way.

Yep, agreed.


Guess it's now up to Waco to load'em up & let us know if they work. Good luck, Waco I think they'll do fine.