It happened again.
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Ian
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Yep, like the research team that cured multiple cancers by genetically altering and breeding a common cold virus so it would feed ONLY on the particular cells of each cancer. Inoperable tumors gone in a week, then the virus starved out, and the whole process only took a few weeks, saving the lives of a few volunteers who were in the final stages of the disease. I heard about that over ten years ago. You'd think with all the money pouring into "cancer research" that they would have shifted gears and refined that process down to the point of getting a biopsy and getting a shot in the arm and a follow up MRI and a blood test and see ya next year. But no, there's way too much money and way to many jobs in "research", you find a cure you put too many people and big pharma out of a job. I better stop cause I feel a major political rant coming on.
Back on topic...
I shot IPSC for five years in the late sixties in the seventies. I had a job and family, so 15,000 rounds per year is all I could manage (in addition to commercial casting bullets
for some of my fellow shooters). I would use brass so long I had to spin them in my drill press and file the rims down (that were flattened from continual shooting). At the time, Remington brass was so thin that it wouldn't reliably hold the cast bullets when feeding. I banished them from my stash. I learned to prefer military brass of the time. It required swaging primer pockets but that was a one time thing, so no problem - just did it. I still have a few thousand cases (new, with swaged pockets) left over. The past several years I shot the brass in my revolvers (too old and creaky to enjoy bending over to pick up brass) and it seems to last nearly forever. I am down to only 5000-7500 rounds per year (not even that much this past year) so my brass supply is not apt to run out.
.45 ACP brass is indeed GOOD brass in general. I am happy that I have military brass from the good years, too. It is nearly indestructible, and that is GOOD!
FWIW,
Dale53
I shot IPSC for five years in the late sixties in the seventies. I had a job and family, so 15,000 rounds per year is all I could manage (in addition to commercial casting bullets
for some of my fellow shooters). I would use brass so long I had to spin them in my drill press and file the rims down (that were flattened from continual shooting). At the time, Remington brass was so thin that it wouldn't reliably hold the cast bullets when feeding. I banished them from my stash. I learned to prefer military brass of the time. It required swaging primer pockets but that was a one time thing, so no problem - just did it. I still have a few thousand cases (new, with swaged pockets) left over. The past several years I shot the brass in my revolvers (too old and creaky to enjoy bending over to pick up brass) and it seems to last nearly forever. I am down to only 5000-7500 rounds per year (not even that much this past year) so my brass supply is not apt to run out..45 ACP brass is indeed GOOD brass in general. I am happy that I have military brass from the good years, too. It is nearly indestructible, and that is GOOD!
FWIW,
Dale53
Pistolero
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Yes, Dale, it took at least 10K rds of practice and competition in a year to really develop any skill. I was
an A shooter in IPSC for a few decades, starting 1980 and haven't shot a lot competitively in IPSC the last
5-6 years or so. Used to be a 300 rd practice session a couple times a week was a minimum to continue
to improve. That burns through brass pretty fast, so you have a lot and use it many, many times. We also
didn't prefer Rem brass, but I find that it tends to shoot noticeably more accurately in several of my more
accurate 1911s these days. In those days, accuracy was important, but if you could make a head shot at
25 yds, you were good to go, about 4-5" group at that range was good enough, but it had to be FAST!
Reliability was everything, accuracy came second, power was required. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas. Not
necessarily in that order.
Bill
an A shooter in IPSC for a few decades, starting 1980 and haven't shot a lot competitively in IPSC the last
5-6 years or so. Used to be a 300 rd practice session a couple times a week was a minimum to continue
to improve. That burns through brass pretty fast, so you have a lot and use it many, many times. We also
didn't prefer Rem brass, but I find that it tends to shoot noticeably more accurately in several of my more
accurate 1911s these days. In those days, accuracy was important, but if you could make a head shot at
25 yds, you were good to go, about 4-5" group at that range was good enough, but it had to be FAST!
Reliability was everything, accuracy came second, power was required. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas. Not
necessarily in that order.
Bill
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quicksylver
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Dale thank you for confirming my comment in the thread concerning tapered crimping dies.
I (we) found that some Comercial brass that had been reloaded a few times would not hold the bullet and led to feeding problems.
To test reloads we pushed them bullet first on a hard serface.
BTW ..MY experience with IDPA and IPSC
pretty much ran parallel to you guys, same time period.
The only thing that kept my head above water in those shoots was accuracy.
I (we) found that some Comercial brass that had been reloaded a few times would not hold the bullet and led to feeding problems.
To test reloads we pushed them bullet first on a hard serface.
BTW ..MY experience with IDPA and IPSC
pretty much ran parallel to you guys, same time period.
The only thing that kept my head above water in those shoots was accuracy.
You fellows have brought back a LOT of fond memories. My five years in IPSC were some of the most memorable in my life (not to compare with my family experiences, of course). As most know, the first match you attend at IPSC, you start in "A" class. I never got out of "A" class. That is NOT a complaint... I met some really memorable people. I regularly competed with Rick Miller and Ken Hackathorn. Rick was a well known writer and Ken became one (Ken was ex-Special Forces and was a true small arms expert). They were instrumental in the success of our matches. They had finished in the top ten in the IPSC World Championships. Truly good men, great competitors and BELIEVERS in IPSC as a martial art.
My sons kind of grew up with IPSC. Marshall Todd and I ran the matches and my two sons not only competed "head to head" with adults (they started at age 12 and age 14) but did a LOT of the "heavy lifting" at our club. I not only had to cast bullets and reload for myself, but I, at the same time, taught my sons how to cast bullets, reload, and WORK. They did me proud (as well as themselves). My proudest moment came when (Shannon was 16 and Sean was 14) we entered the IPSC rifle match at Marietta, Ohio (the seat of the birth of IPSC in Ohio) and the home club of Rick Miller and Ken Hackathorn. It was a "run and jump" match when IPSC was truly a "Martial Art".
I had a good day. I won the match, Shannon came in second, and Sean came in third. There was a big turnout that day and all of the "big guys" were there. Needless to say, it was a stellar day. Our HK-91 got a real workout that day. Yeah, we used a .308 against all of the "mouse guns" against us.
Thanks for the memories, gentlemen as well as (Marshall Todd, Rick Miller, Ken Hackathorn and all of my fellow club members who worked so hard to make the matches a success for five LONG years).
P.S. Quicksylver, I was criticized a bit for my NEED for accuracy in those days. However, having a 1911, with full house cast #68's (at a power factor of 180,000) that would shoot 2" groups on demand from a rest at FIFTY yards and NEVER stuttered added seriously to my confidence.rdm
FWIW
Dale53
My sons kind of grew up with IPSC. Marshall Todd and I ran the matches and my two sons not only competed "head to head" with adults (they started at age 12 and age 14) but did a LOT of the "heavy lifting" at our club. I not only had to cast bullets and reload for myself, but I, at the same time, taught my sons how to cast bullets, reload, and WORK. They did me proud (as well as themselves). My proudest moment came when (Shannon was 16 and Sean was 14) we entered the IPSC rifle match at Marietta, Ohio (the seat of the birth of IPSC in Ohio) and the home club of Rick Miller and Ken Hackathorn. It was a "run and jump" match when IPSC was truly a "Martial Art".
I had a good day. I won the match, Shannon came in second, and Sean came in third. There was a big turnout that day and all of the "big guys" were there. Needless to say, it was a stellar day. Our HK-91 got a real workout that day. Yeah, we used a .308 against all of the "mouse guns" against us.
Thanks for the memories, gentlemen as well as (Marshall Todd, Rick Miller, Ken Hackathorn and all of my fellow club members who worked so hard to make the matches a success for five LONG years).
P.S. Quicksylver, I was criticized a bit for my NEED for accuracy in those days. However, having a 1911, with full house cast #68's (at a power factor of 180,000) that would shoot 2" groups on demand from a rest at FIFTY yards and NEVER stuttered added seriously to my confidence.rdm
FWIW
Dale53
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Paul;
Thanks for the kind words!
P.S. I would like to mention one other point. We would draw around sixty shooters from around the country (mostly from the Tri-State area - Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky. My two sons, early teen agers, remember, were assistant range officers. They actually timed and scored at least one stage apiece. There were always close calls and possible scoring decisions to be made. There was not one time than ANY of the shooters questioned a call from those youngsters. The boys worked very hard to be correct, but can you imagine some of the most competitive shooters in the world NEVER questioning a call by those two? That is a tribute to the quality of character of those fine shooters IMO. I don't believe I have ever been around better people than I was in those years. Any one of those good people would do "to ride the river with" (quote from famous Border Patrolman Bill Jordan, I believe, regarding the dangerous work done around the Rio Grande River by the courageous men of the Border Patrol).
Dale
Thanks for the kind words!
P.S. I would like to mention one other point. We would draw around sixty shooters from around the country (mostly from the Tri-State area - Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky. My two sons, early teen agers, remember, were assistant range officers. They actually timed and scored at least one stage apiece. There were always close calls and possible scoring decisions to be made. There was not one time than ANY of the shooters questioned a call from those youngsters. The boys worked very hard to be correct, but can you imagine some of the most competitive shooters in the world NEVER questioning a call by those two? That is a tribute to the quality of character of those fine shooters IMO. I don't believe I have ever been around better people than I was in those years. Any one of those good people would do "to ride the river with" (quote from famous Border Patrolman Bill Jordan, I believe, regarding the dangerous work done around the Rio Grande River by the courageous men of the Border Patrol).
Dale
fiver
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yeah but they are here to stay.
I'm trying to put up a few-K 45 acp brass just so i'll have it.
I'm not doing too bad and only have a few hundred small pistol primered cases so far.
I really think if the small primer been around back when the round was developed it would for sure have used it instead of the large pistol.
but it is what it is and I hate having to deal with 2 sizes in one case.
I'm trying to put up a few-K 45 acp brass just so i'll have it.
I'm not doing too bad and only have a few hundred small pistol primered cases so far.
I really think if the small primer been around back when the round was developed it would for sure have used it instead of the large pistol.
but it is what it is and I hate having to deal with 2 sizes in one case.
