Kevin Stenberg
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Petrol&Powder I think I am going your rout. At least calling and getting AN OPINION hopefully from an agent.
Legal question
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But he's "done due diligence."
I think the objective isn't as much about being able to prove you're right as much as not being put in the costly position of having to do so.
My personal feelings on this are that if you ever end up in civil or criminal court, you've already lost - even if you win.
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BECAUSE.... "they" already know. It's "out there," meaning HERE.
Any entity (companies do it at the drop of a hat) hire some "Social Media" nitwit to scour the Internet for whatever t hey can find about someone. Once a prosecutor has gone out on that limb, they have to stand by their assertions. It's not like someone will be arrested and after a civil chat say "OH, OK! Yeah, you're right, we're wrong, sorry for the interruption."
I've never been able to just walk away from a fight, but if it means being drug into court, my mind gets very fiscally pragmatic and who's really right and who's really wrong takes a back seat to my resources v. "theirs."
Not arguing - offering another perspective, more as a question than an answer.
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Petrol & Powder
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There is NO reason to play "Hide the ball".
1. The matter has already been discussed at length on a public forum, so it's hardly a secret
2. The OP is attempting to stay within the law, why leave that path?
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
If you get someone to talk to you, try to get an e-mail or at least a name and address. Follow up with an e-mail or a letter.
They aren't trying to lock up people that are following the law. I suspect they will at least try to point you in the right direction.
fiver
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they are more concerned with collecting the 10% tax from a manufacturer than they are in chasing some dude down selling off his collection of stuff.
the whole law was wrote to make a distinction, between Larry with his 200 this and that bullets he ain't gonna use, and Bill down the street running a mark-8 master caster 12hrs. a day.
the whole law was wrote to make a distinction, between Larry with his 200 this and that bullets he ain't gonna use, and Bill down the street running a mark-8 master caster 12hrs. a day.
Ian
Notorious member
You have to have an 06 FFL to manufacture or reload ammunition to sell. Bullets, in a separate section, are defined as components of ammunition, therefore you have to have an 06 FFL to make bullets to sell. The real kicker is if you are making bullets to sell, you also fall under ITAR and need a Tier 1 domestic sales only license, which costs another $22,500 per year. Just to sell bullets you make. Whether you are "in the business of" or not depends on a lot of things that are typically quite unfair and subject to whim, but I won't get into that. Hopefully you don't have a dog.....
richhodg66
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I'm just sorry to hear of an avid caster and handloader having to give it up. I hope it works out well for you.
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
The average federal agents that I've encountered are decent men & women.
When you get to the higher-ranking positions of federal agencies, the political climbers that fill those positions would drive a bus over their own mother to advance their careers. However, those traits are seen in the private sector as well.
Thumbcocker
Active Member
Mirrors my experience exactly.
Thumbcocker
Active Member
Prosecutors are lawyers. Usually trial lawyers. Trial lawyers hate to lose. Never seen one who would stubbornly try a case that they knew they were going to lose. They may have to take a close case or a weak case to trial but that is the nature of the system. I have personally dismissed or not filed cases where the law was clearly on the defendant's side. I had better things to do than knowingly get my butt kicked and violate the code of professional responsibility.
JonB
Halcyon member
Kevin is a several hour drive (toward Canada) from me. But has relatives in MPLS metro area...where we are set to meet up.
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Snakeoil
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Thanks Jon. Too far for me. It is sad to hear that he is at this stage in his life. Wishing the best for him.