" Let the Liquid Lube Games Begin ! ! "

[freebullet]

Ben
You are truly a generous credit to the casting, reloading, & gun community.
Thank you

 

[Ben]

Those are some VERY generous words.
I hope I'm worthy of 2% of what you've said.

Thanks,
Ben

 

[35 shooter]

Ben, Just to clear this up for me, you lube and size with Ben' Red and after that comes the coating of the new lube. I guess I need to make a batch of BR too if that is the case.
Thanks, Malcolm

You can't go wrong with BEN'S RED. An overcoat of BLL is "icing on the cake".
Both are great stand alone lubes as well.

 

[Brother_Love]

I am gathering ingredients together now.

 

[Ben]

The H & G 240 gr. SWC , 45 Colt bullets are now sized, lubed with Ben's Red and then rolled in the " New " BLL.

These are ready to load :

 

[KHornet]

Fingers crosses!
Paul

 

[yodogsandman]

WAIT, WAIT! What's the new name for the new lube with the new floor wax???

Fingers and toes crossed!

 

[Ben]

Don't have a name yet.
If it doesn't work out well, it may not even get a name.

Ben

 

[imforguns]

Ben

I really enjoy all the information I have found on this forum.
I have been reading a lot about Ben'S Red and BLL. Just
Wondering how your testing of the BLL using the Lundmark
has progressed?
Thanks!

Jim C

 

[Ben]

Wondering how your testing of the BLL using the Lundmark
has progressed?
Thanks!

Jim C

I have not tried the Lundmark in high velocity rifle loads.
I have shot the " Alternate to BLL " on pistol bullets up to 1,500 fps.
It worked just fine.
I cannot tell much ( if any ) difference in the " Alternate to BLL " vs. the original BLL in these limited test.

Ben

 

[KHornet]

My stash of Johnson's will last me more than a life time, with the balance
going to Brad.

Paul

 

[35 Whelen]

Thank you Ben for all the work and your unselfishness in sharing what you have learned with others. You are in top of the list of a handful of guys that I follow on here and Cast Boolits forum. Very much appreciated. You have flattened the learning curve for many of us. Thank you

 

[Wasalmonslayer]

I don't post a lot here or on CB but read a ton.
The info that Ben and the other journeymen casters on here and CB have definatley leveled my learning curve.

The google search option is your best friend.

Thanks a bunch Guys!!!

 

[Rally Hess]

lBen,
I'm using the same type containers for bullets as the one posted. I went to an estate sale with the wife(kicking and screaming). Bought 17 containers of varying sizes, for .10 each. The smaller ones stack well when full but the larger ones, the lids will collapse in on the lower ones. Might have something to do with the weight! LOL Obviously made for pork chops.

 

[Reed]

I have not tried the Lundmark in high velocity rifle loads.
I have shot the " Alternate to BLL " on pistol bullets up to 1,500 fps.
It worked just fine.
I cannot tell much ( if any ) difference in the " Alternate to BLL " vs. the original BLL in these limited test.

I've been reading this thread with interest. I'm about out of my Recluse original formula (45:45:10 Lee Liquid Alox, Johnson’s Paste Wax, Mineral Spirits) and want to try making my next batch using this liquid wax concept. I didn't find any leftover Johnson's Liquid Paste Wax at my local Ace Hardware, but on Ace's website I found a quart of the Lundmark Liquid Paste Wax that Ben has been playing with. The link is below if you're interested. I called my local Ace store and gave them the stock number, and they told me they'll get it ordered and it will be here on Monday's shipment. (I love living in a small, friendly town.) The label states that it is made with carnuba wax. Carnuba has certainly received attention in various lube recipes over the years, including discussions of the original Recluse lube. One of the abilities attributed to it is its ability to produce a shiny, clean bore. The MSDS for Johnson's Paste Wax states the percentage of carnuba is 5-10% by weight. It works very well in the original 45:45:10 formula. It's just a pain to mix. Here's the ingredients portion of Johnson's MSDS for Paste Wax:


Johnson's One Step probably has an adequate enough, but smaller amount of carnuba as well. I say probably, because they don't want to say. Here's the pertinent portion of the MSDS. Definitely less revealing. "Hydrocarbon Waxes" probably include carnuba, since it is a vegetable product. Maybe it's even some other sort of vegetable wax, or a combination! In a pinch, One Step might work in your Zippo lighter with all that naphtha, though!


And finally, the Lundmark Liquid Paste Wax ingredients from their MSDS. They're more friendly about mentioning carnuba. (There seems to be a disagreement about how to spell it, though.) It looks to me like this wax contains even more carnuba than One Step -- if One Step even has carnuba! One Step has a maximum of 1% paraffin and "hydrocarbon waxes" combined. Lundmark has a minimum of 1% carnuba alone. Maybe more. More paraffin, too. I'm not sure how paraffin contributes to the magic of our liquid bullet lubes. Anyone?


It seems to me that the Lundmark wax contains a high enough percentage of carnuba (and paraffin) that the loss of One Step won't hurt so bad--if carnuba is what makes the magic, and I think it is. It could actually contain as much as JPW--if Johnson uses the minimum amount stated and Lundmark uses the maximum stated. Anyway, Ben has stated his alternative formula is good up to 1,500 fps. I can't tell from Ben's last post if those bullets were lubed with both Ben's Red and his alternative liquid formula, or just the alternative liquid formula. I'm assuming both from reading Ben's previous posts about lube. No matter. Ben's tests so far are encouragement enough for me. I've never achieved 1,500 fps in any pistol I own. Lundmark is a great find. Thanks Ben! I'm looking forward to creating a batch and trying his new experimental recipe out.

Links
Ace: http://www.acehardware.com/product/..._clickid=7a686fee-2b85-4edd-b439-c2b6de450896
Johnson's Paste Wax MSDS: https://www.k-state.edu/facilities/storeroom/products/msds/Johnson Paste Wax 016094.pdf
Johnson's One Step MSDS: http://msdsdigital.com/sc-johnson®-one-step-no-buff-wax-fine-wood-floor-care-msds
Lundmark Liquid Paste Wax MSDS: http://www.lundmarkwax.com/6-2-15_SDS/3208_Liquid Paste Wax LVP.pdf

 

[fiver]

I love how you can't make their numbers come out to 100, or you get like 170%

paraffin makes everything go into flow mode as soon as it gets under pressure.
on the landmark I'd be inclined for the bottom 3 to be 5-1-<1
although that seems to leave room for another mineral wax.

I'm not making this stuff.
but if I were I'd probably be inclined to try sopping up the [dried] alox with the distillates in the lundmark to about a 30% solution.

 

[Ian]

Per SDS, "Hydrocarbon" means "petroleum" every time I've referenced the CAS number.

Carnauba isn't what works the magic with One Step, but it helps the other recipes.

 

[fiver]

hydrocarbons are what we go pump out of the ground.
it covers everything from hydrogen sulphide, to your natural gasses, to dark waxy oil.

 

[Reed]

Thanks for all the insights. When I read hydrocarbon, I guess I was thinking about the term "carbon-based," as in life forms. Mind sets can really trip up the thinking. I should have thought more about the word hydrocarbon. It's all over the news every time talk turns to global warming and fossil fuels. But let's not get going on that! Just using it as an example of why I should have known better.

 

[fiver]

in a way it is or was.
think of algae.
lots and lots of dead rotting under pressure algae, go deeper and hotter and you get the gasses.