Let's Discuss Scopes for 308 Rifles

Rick H

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I have an 8 lb. jug of Winchester748 dedicated to my 308Win. that works wonders behind 150 or 165gr. Hornady interlocks. My 788 Remington has a 20" barrel and that 150 Hornady at 2700 fps has been killing Michigan whitetails for 53 years. Okay, not every year, but a lot of them.
 

Josh

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If you come across an RCBS 30-180FN, cast it of an approx COWW alloy, size at least .311 and stick it in front of 16.0-2400. I have yet to find a 308 that combo won't shoot in. It's not real fast, but it's not a deer load anyway.

I'll be interested in your results with 311440. I have a GB 6 banger and love the idea of the design.

The 308 isn't very colorful or super fast or tacticool. It's like a reliable old truck, it just works.
I think I have an RCBS 30-180-FN, I'll have to look
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Practice at steel targets? All the way to 1000 yards all day long with my 308. I love this caliber. Might not be the best at it but definitely not the worst. The 308 Winchester has a lot of merit.
Yes, like a 30/06 loaded for light recoil or cast bullets.
 

Josh

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I'm not sure why I'm getting the vibe that you all think I'm going to throw the rifle in the trash. The 308 does have merit, but it'll never be my favorite. To me it's like a moped, it's all fun until someone you know sees you riding it. Like a moped though, it'll never get you where you want to go fast or in style, but it will get you where you're going reliably and economically.

Still doesn't mean I like it.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
I'm not sure why I'm getting the vibe that you all think I'm going to throw the rifle in the trash. The 308 does have merit, but it'll never be my favorite. To me it's like a moped, it's all fun until someone you know sees you riding it. Like a moped though, it'll never get you where you want to go fast or in style, but it will get you where you're going reliably and economically.
Still doesn't mean I like it.
So what would be the caliber of choice then?
 

Josh

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So what would be the caliber of choice then?
That really depends, I'm not a one cartridge fits all kinda guy. The one cartridge I find myself grabbing over and over though is a 6mm ARC. If someone forced me to pick one cartridge for life though, it would probably be a 7mm Rem Mag or the new 7mm PRC, either one would work.

I like using the cartridge best suited for the situation though, 223 works fine for varmints, 308 is a fine medium game rifle out to 350 yds, 6mm BRX is my go to for precision distance shooting and for long range hunting I prefer the 7mm Rem Mag but will probably rebarrel to the 7mm PRC once this barrel is shot out.

As of now, I could narrow down my life to 3 cartridges and just have different types of guns in them and be happy. A 9x19, 6mm ARC and 7mm PRC. Here's the big BUT though, only the 9x19 is cast friendly, so having other cartridges to play with means I get to enjoy another facet of my hobby.
 

Michael

Active Member. Uh/What
I went with a 4.5-14x Burris E-1 on my mine with the Long Ronge MOA recticle. Not being a dedicated cast bullet rifle, I can zero for regular jacketed loads and then determine which hash mark to hold for zero using cast. Works for me and didn't break the bank.

 
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Petrol & Powder

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I'm not sure why I'm getting the vibe that you all think I'm going to throw the rifle in the trash. The 308 does have merit, but it'll never be my favorite. To me it's like a moped, it's all fun until someone you know sees you riding it. Like a moped though, it'll never get you where you want to go fast or in style, but it will get you where you're going reliably and economically.

Still doesn't mean I like it.
So your opinion of the 308 is based on what other people's perception of you might be?
 

Josh

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So your opinion of the 308 is based on what other people's perception of you might be?
That was an analogy. I've never liked 308 ever since I started studying ballistics, there are better cartridges out there. I'll never understand people who feel offended that I don't like their favorite cartridge. There's a lot of different ones, just like ice cream, I'm sorry I don't like the same flavor you do. That said, I've never had "bad" ice cream, just ice cream I like less than other flavors.

The 308 is better than a sharp stick, how much better is a matter of opinion. Don't get too wrapped up around the axle about my distaste for the 308, my opinion is just that, mine. So, to hopefully help you let go, sure, other people's perception matters. Now you can shake your head say "kids these days" and build a bridge over it.
 

Josh

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I went with a 4.5-14x Burris E-1 on my mine with the Long Ronge MOA recticle. Not being a dedicated cast bullet rifle, I can zero for regular jacketed loads and then determine which hash mark to hold for zero using cast. Works for me and didn't break the bank.

That was a thought with this one, my problem was balance though, I was concerned that a heavy or akward optic would mess up the balance this rifle has. Leupold just released the MK5 2-10, I seriously considered that optic but knew I would be "over scoped" for my intentions.
 

Petrol & Powder

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That was an analogy. I've never liked 308 ever since I started studying ballistics, there are better cartridges out there. I'll never understand people who feel offended that I don't like their favorite cartridge. There's a lot of different ones, just like ice cream, I'm sorry I don't like the same flavor you do. That said, I've never had "bad" ice cream, just ice cream I like less than other flavors.

The 308 is better than a sharp stick, how much better is a matter of opinion. Don't get too wrapped up around the axle about my distaste for the 308, my opinion is just that, mine. So, to hopefully help you let go, sure, other people's perception matters. Now you can shake your head say "kids these days" and build a bridge over it.
You are certainly welcome to your own opinion. And I’ve never seen a winner in a caliber war discussion, so that’s not worth engaging in.

I do suspect your opinion of the 308 is heavily influenced by what others feel is popular or what cool cartridge is trending today.

The 308 Winchester cartridge has been with us since 1952 and its adoption by NATO certainly helped its standing in the world of cartridges. However, the 308 Win would be an outstanding cartridge even if it wasn’t a standard military cartridge. It may not have the speed of a 22-250 or the extreme long range power of a 338 Lapua or 7mm Remington Magnum. Nor does it have the muzzle energy of a 375 H&H or 416 Rigby - but it does a LOT of things very well.

Gun magazines, gun & ammo advertising and the occasional gun store commando, have a tendency to push the “newest” and “greatest” cartridge at the expense of the older cartridges. You’re welcome to your opinion but if that opinion is based on “someone seeing you ride a moped”, you may wish to explore the basis of that opinion.
 

Josh

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You are certainly welcome to your own opinion. And I’ve never seen a winner in a caliber war discussion, so that’s not worth engaging in.

I do suspect your opinion of the 308 is heavily influenced by what others feel is popular or what cool cartridge is trending today.

The 308 Winchester cartridge has been with us since 1952 and its adoption by NATO certainly helped its standing in the world of cartridges. However, the 308 Win would be an outstanding cartridge even if it wasn’t a standard military cartridge. It may not have the speed of a 22-250 or the extreme long range power of a 338 Lapua or 7mm Remington Magnum. Nor does it have the muzzle energy of a 375 H&H or 416 Rigby - but it does a LOT of things very well.

Gun magazines, gun & ammo advertising and the occasional gun store commando, have a tendency to push the “newest” and “greatest” cartridge at the expense of the older cartridges. You’re welcome to your opinion but if that opinion is based on “someone seeing you ride a moped”, you may wish to explore the basis of that opinion.
You're still hung up on analogies I see. I haven't read a gun rag in 10 years, I'm mainly influenced by cartridges that *after studying the ballistics* make sense for me to acquire. If that happens to be a new cartridge, so be it, if that happens to be a 100 year old cartridge, so be it.

The ballistics of the 308 are not great, it's drop, drift and retained energy down range show it. I've got two cartridges that are on my "favorite" list that bracket the 308 perfectly. They are the 303 British and 7.5x55 Swiss. Both cartridges have similar ballistics, but they're also in rifles that are just awesome and different. They're not ballistic peaches either. The P14 and K31 are interesting and excellent platforms, they have interesting cartridges and even if the ballistics are ho hum they're fun to shoot.

A modern rifle, with no turn of the century quirks is a boring *yet effective* platform. Add in an absolutely mediocre cartridge (the 308) and it's a boring combo. Why would anyone pick such a mundane cartridge? I don't know. They probably like it. I will admit that modern rifles chambered in 308 are utilitarian, but that doesn't make them the best combo for me.

Funny enough, I have a 416 Rigby, and you're right, the 308 compares to it like a cap gun to a 45 Colt. Do I like cartridges that I can *in a pinch* order ammunition that will match what I load to shoot distance or other set parameter? Absolutely I do, so if that means I prefer cartridges made in this century and not the middle of the last century, so be it.

It may be time for *you* to study up on some modern cartridges and realize how far we've come since 1952. It truly is remarkable.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Maybe next time I take a 308 rifle somewhere, I'll put it in a case.
God knows I wouldn't want my friends seeing me ride that moped...
 

Josh

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Maybe next time I take a 308 rifle somewhere, I'll put it in a case.
God knows I wouldn't want my friends seeing me ride that moped...
I'm not sure exactly why you're hung up on an analogy yet fail to respond to anything else. Did I accidentally offend your 2nd hobby as a moped collector?

Seriously my guy, I'm allowed to have an opinion that's different than yours. My opinion, if you're a fully functional adult, shouldn't bother you so much. The 308 is an inanimate object, no matter how much you love it, it will never love you back. Stop defending it like it's your child.

You're talking about me like you know me, I'll ask you to refrain, not because I'm offended, but because you are looking foolish. Now, if you have any respect for what a wonderful group this is and those that keep it going, stop dragging this place down to the level of Facebook.

I come here for intelligent conversations, if you're still wound up, start a new thread and we'll politely go over the ballistics of the 308. If you're not willing to do that, then I can only assume you're acting like a petulant child because you're not all together upstairs or you know *deep down* the 308 isn't the Holy Grail and it bothers you.
 
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