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beagle

Active Member
Mould temp for big bullets has to be just right.

Couple days ago, I was running a batch of RCBS 45-300-FN for my Marlin M95.45/70.

Been a while since I ran any “heavy” bullets and I forgot the basic rules to make good ones. This is a double cavity mould and one cavity is a HP so it slowed things down a bit but I still had problems which I had previously found solutions to.

This mould, being an RCBS has generous sized mould blocks which also helps with the problems.

20 years ago, I was shooting some bigger calibers. .375 H & H, .40/65, .45/70, .458 Win Mag and a .458 X 2”. Several of my shooting partners were shooting like calibers.

I was turning out a lot of heavy bullets; some in the 545 grain range. A lot of these were using the old #457 series Lyman moulds with the old, small blocks.

Here in lies the problem. You can’t turn out many bullets with these before you run into problem. First, they cast wrinkled due to being cold, after this stage, it’s rounded bands as the moulds heat up, then for 2 or 3 rounds, it’s perfect bullets. Then, things begin to go downhill. First is frosting. Now, I don’t mind frosted bullets. Next is rounding bands and wings….rejects.This is due to the blocks being too hot.

Any time, you attempt to cast two bullets of 250 grains or larger, you will have these problems.

Then I said, John, you idiot, you’re casting too fast. Slow down the tempo and rejects go away and you get good bullets.

Why? The size of the mould blocks don’t dissipate heat fast enough and you have to have the heat with a bottom pour pot to insure proper filling of the big cavities with a sufficient flow.

About this time of big calibers, I ordered a .375 mould from Walt Melander at NEI. Talked with him on the phone and told him I wanted a meehanite double cavity. A spitzer in 300 grains and a RFN at 320 grains. He said, I can make it but don’t think it will cast. Was off the phone about 5 minutes and said, won’t make good bullets. Too much hot lead. Can I cast one cavity at a time. Yes, that will work. So I ordered it and when it came, Walt was right. Had to cast one cavity at a time.

This is one place that aluminum outshines iron moulds. It dissipates heat faster than iron does. Works well for large bullets but works against you with .22 calibers.

There are several ways to work around this problem.

The first is to time your casts. Maybe a bullet every 30 seconds. Even slower if necessary.

The second way is to use a cooling fan. I made one with a small cooling fan for a computer. Sitting a wet rag under this air flow and siting mould on it for a few seconds works to keep the temp of the mould down.

The third way is radical but works but we deemed it as impractical. We attached electrical equipment aluminum heat sinks to the mould attachment screws. It worked but made the mould clumsy to cast with due to added bulk.

The second method works the best for me./beagle
 

StrawHat

Well-Known Member
When I was casting, I would use two or three molds and developed a rhythm. Fill 1 set down; pick up 2 fill, set down; pick up 3, fill set down; pick up one, strike sprue, empty fill set down; and so on. Of course that was before I got 4 and 6 cavity molds. Sure could cast a pile of good bullets for handguns.

Kevin
 

Missionary

Well-Known Member
I also Muti-mold cast with those big slugs in iron molds.. My mind is "efficiency bent".
Start with one mold and get it to frosty temp. Then bring in the second mold that has been pre-warming.
Do not let mold 1 get too cooled off. Bring it into the rotation and soon both are casting good bullets.
With two two cav molds rotating in and out not alot of waiting for a mold to cool. And good bullets keep falling.
On some occasions have gotten 3 molds into a steady rotation. Especially with those one hole molts.
I have found it is a good idea to cast different shapes or calibers so the end sorting is much easier.
 
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Rick

Moderator
Staff member
It's been my experience that a Goldi Locks mold temp is important for all molds, not just large bullets. One of the easiest ways to have a wide variation in bullet weights is to vary the mold temp while casting. Even with a well pre-heated mold the lightest bullets of a casting session will be the first several pours. I call it even though it's pre-heated the mold isn't yet "heat soaked" or at that Goldi Locks temp.

I always try to impress on new casters that they aren't pouring lead into the mold, they are pouring heat.
 

LEC Guy

Active Member
When I find a bullet I like and they work well for shooting, I buy a duplicate mold just like it. When I cast, get everything up to temperature I fill one set down and grab the other, empty it and refill and put it down. This creates the dwell time for keeping everything at temperature. I also don't let the hot sprue trimming cool. Put them back in while they are still hot. I shoot more .32 Long and .38 Special. The RCBS 98 Grain .32 wad cutter and .38 140 Grain wad cutter I have two of each.

Bruce