More mini-lathe upgrades!

Ian

Notorious member
Just in from Little Machine Shop, a new 5" independent 4-jaw with their house-made adapter for the flanged spindles. The thing dwarfs the whole machine now but will clamp 2.8" between the jaws this way, and about 5.5" max the other way. The 3" chuck I've been using for barrel work and such on the shelf for comparison.

Also, after what's it been..three years? I FINALLY picked up the correct AXA QCTP set for my particular unit, and some cut-off tools, boring bars and some extra HSS threading tools. This set is cast iron rather than the cheaper aluminum and seems very well made. Now I can thread upside down and backwards, and be able to set tools exactly on center without re-shimming a half-dozen times.

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Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
The QCTP is the only way to go. Problem is having enough tool holders and space to store them.
Threading upside down away from chuck is the Way to go.
 

Ole_270

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Trouble is, the list of tooling, projects, and materials never ends. Might need the wife to get a job to support my hobbies
 
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Brad

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The tooling can eat you alive if you let it. I have learned to find ways to make do with what you have. I try my damndest to not go broke on tooling.
 

Ole_270

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For sure. I spec'd out the tooling on several production mills over the years and was really glad I wasn't paying for it.
 

JWFilips

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I envy you guys! I would love a lathe ( instead of a drill press which I try to use as a lathe)
But If I had one I know I would go broke! I love all that nice extra crap!
 

Brad

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I figure that at some point when I need to move and sell the lathe I will refer to it as a loathe
 

Ian

Notorious member
I envy you guys! I would love a lathe ( instead of a drill press which I try to use as a lathe)
But If I had one I know I would go broke! I love all that nice extra crap!


I made do for quite some time with only about $150 worth of extra tooling and measuring equipment, together with some odds and ends that were donated to me. I made form tools and threading tools out of broken taps, old files, etc rather than buying them when I couldn't afford proper HSS blanks.

I've now officially spent more on tools and upgrades than the lathe cost, but it has paid for itself a few times already so it still is returning on the investment. I can better bore my own mould cavities with this chuck and can make certain types of rifle receivers with it as well.
 

JWFilips

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When I was active building flintlock rifles I ended up making most of my tools. I learned blacksmithing ony to make tools. My teacher said he never did things I have done ....but that was my only goal to learn the art. I didn't want to make pretty & fancy things as he thought me....just get to the bones of making tools....I think the first thing I made was a Fish shaped screw plate out of a file! Then on to a full set of "turn screws" and engraving tools and also Barrel stamps. also made a Nice Short Sword For My Re-enacting persona
My trip into forging was only to make the tools i needed to build flintlock guns
 
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JWFilips

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Wish this thread would continue: ;)

When I got out of high school ( I should have been thinking of my future at U of Penn for Physics) but I was thinking money in my pocket and girls and motorcycles!
Anyway took a summer off and did spot welding to make lampshade frames! After a few weeks I got cocky and went to their machine shop with designs of new types of spot welding dies! These made welding 2x faster! ( I guess I was a hero of the Piece work crowd) Yes It increased their pay substantially!
Then The Company made me the guy that Sets the piece work rate....using my new die designs! Well I got a raise from management and was them hated by the welders on the floor! Catch 22: because I had knowledge!

All I know is What ever you guys post here I try to absorb! I to not have the machines but I have my mind! Imagination is a great asset!
 

StrawHat

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I used to work restoring antique firearms as a supplement to my income. Funny thing! Somehow during the divorce, the tools became hers!!! Table top lathe, table top milling machine, etc., all hers. Or should I say her tool and die maker brother.

Never replaced anything. I now use a corded 1/2” drill and a portable, hand held milling machine (file, in common language). Not fancy but if those two tools can’t handle it, it is time to bring in the professionals!

Kevin
 

wquiles

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I made do for quite some time with only about $150 worth of extra tooling and measuring equipment, together with some odds and ends that were donated to me. I made form tools and threading tools out of broken taps, old files, etc rather than buying them when I couldn't afford proper HSS blanks.

I've now officially spent more on tools and upgrades than the lathe cost, but it has paid for itself a few times already so it still is returning on the investment. I can better bore my own mould cavities with this chuck and can make certain types of rifle receivers with it as well.
I am also at the other end of the spectrum, where over time I have spent a LOT in tooling for both the lathe and the mill. Now, it happens over time, true, but it is an insane amount of money. It is with some level of embarrassment that I share these pictures.

The Bison 6-jaw set-tru chuck that I have is close to $900-1000 in today's dollars. That has been the single most expensive upgrade I have ever done. One that I would gladly do over again - not having to recenter stock is priceless. Here are pictures of JUST the lathe tooling I have at the moment for my 12x36. Knurlers and big boring bars, custom holders, some I never finished, and a few miscellaneous:
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My secondary group of lathe tools. Some are custom for my lathe, some of those steel holders I made myself from a bar of tool steel, or designed for a much bigger late which I "adapted" to mine:
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These on top of the lathe are my primary set - the ones that I use most often:
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And I am not showing (because it is really embarrassing), how MANY inserts I have already on hand for all of that lathe tooling, and some I have never even tried yet. Since I switched to flood cooling when I was first drilling and (most specially) knurling in Titanium, the inserts now literally last almost forever, so I probably will never have to buy inserts again.

When I got started modifying LED flashlights, I started with a 7x lathe mainly to make stuff for myself. I then upgraded to a heavier 8x, and bought a table-top mini-mill. By the time I had the 8x I was already getting paid by other hobbyist to make flashlight parts and modifications, that buying the 12x made sense - not even a year after I got the 8x. I then found a brand new, never wired 8x30 Enco Knee-mill on ebay - that mill, and the 12x really pushed my capabilities, and within 1-2 years the lathe and mill itself had already made me more money than it cost me. The mill tooling probably costs me nearly as much as the lathe tooling, but there are fewer, although a lot more expensive pieces/parts. I made so many 1xD LED conversions on Maglites that I have lost count. I then was also making titanium shaving handles for others - that brought home some nice money as well.

So not all the money invested in tooling has been "out of my pocket", but looking back since 2006 or so, it has been insane how much I have spend on tooling. For the last 5-8 years, I try to buy no new tooling, and instead try to arrange the work using the tools that I already have, so my costs for the "machine shop" is maintenance stuff only, thus it is near zero to operate/use.

Will
 
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Gary

SE Kansas
Great write up Will, and valuable insight into the "dark side" of Machine Shop. Wish Keith were still here, I'm sure he would second what you've said.