My 6.5/06

[todd]

There are more than a few keyboard commandos who would take emphatic exception to that and rail about how much "better" the 6.5 CM is than the 308W.

One thing I DO appreciate of the x55 and x57-based cartridges is that they have a moderate capacity, work well with a wide range of powders, and do what they do at moderate pressures. I don't see the sense in hitting 60kpsi for the sake of busting a sub-200-pound whitetail buck at less than 200 yards. The older cartridges work well with old-fashioned, cheap, cup-'n-core bullets too.
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the 308 win WAS a good cartridge, but after i shot (rem m760 in 308) the bear, the luck ran out. after i shot the bear, i would take the m760 out deer hunting and i would see a thing. the next day i took out a different rifle, went to the same spot and i would kill a deer. i'd do this for three or four years. i sold the 308 because it was the unluckiest rifle ever!!! the 6.5cm and the 308 are wanna-be's, that goes to the old 7.65x53.

anymore, i like the old cartridges. the 7x57 and the 9.3x57 are some of my favorites. the 30-40 krag, 7.65x53, 8x57 and the first true wildcat, 35/30-30.

 

[RBHarter]

The 308 was probably the first best example of we'll just load it 5 kpsi higher and sell it as equal to the next cartridge up ......... Well after the 9×19 ......but a 380 juiced up to 55kpsi will do everything a 38+p will ........or something .

 

[Bret4207]

Back to my sarcastic remark about a 99 being available in a 6.5 CM. I know of a 99 in 308 that was likely chambered on July 3rd Friday, at 4:45pm.
FL resize a fired case, shoot it once maybe twice and you can clearly see the line around the case about 3/8" - 1/2" from the base indicating incipient head separation. Depending upon how much or little it can be had for, it might make for an interesting project.
Thoughts?
Or would I be risking a felony or just waiting for a time and place to getting beaten up for no other reason?

If it's the clip type mag, 99C, version, no issue at all. If it's got the rotary spool mag then you can have feeding issues if the case you choose differs mush from that the original was intended for.

 

[Bret4207]

Novel at the least .
They came in 24,25, 28 and 2 30s , maybe 2 28s . Somebody might have a tiff over a 277 Fury light .

2-22's, 24, 2-25's, 2- 7mm, 4-30's, 32, 35 and 2-375's.

it ain't the barrel on that 99 that's the problem.
the 308 would stretch those frames without even trying.
the load level for the 300 savage is held down too because of the same problem.
put the 250 in a bolt gun and hook a strain gauge to it then run it up to what the rifle was made to handle [IE a 308] and you'll see what's what real quick.

There's a lot of 308 99's out there going strong. And 284's, 243's, 7mm-08, 358, 250 Savage. No, it's not a bolt gun, but you don't have to hotrod everything. Love to have one in 22-250!

 

[RBHarter]

My buddy Jorge , Scandinavian not Latino , has a 243 that is an absolute joy to shoot. We didn't care for the 100 gr Sierra Game King . It did enough damage for the kill of course but at 80 yd the exit wasn't much over a dime on a 250# hoof weight Mulie doe through the ribs double lung . I blame the guy at the bench the kid on the trigger did everything right ..

 

[Michael]

Not clip fed, internal spool. Talked with the owner, told me he took into his favorite LGS last thinking about a trade or just selling. They would not take it in or even put on conscinment once they checked the headspace. Apparent shot very little, belonged to his father who bought it new in the early 60's, did not load his own, hunted very little. Still has facorty Win ammo in the vintage Yellow, and Red and Yellow boxes. Told me the 99F was a feather weight version, barrel is pretty slim, muzzle dia. is 0.568".
Talked about a .358 sounding viable but would not fix the sloppy chamber, plus not much meat left in the barrel, seems new barrel is the only fix short of selling to someone he doesn't like or gunshow.
Perhaps go with a .260 Rem, 7-08, even joked about going with a .270 Titus Savage, or go with the .300 Sav. with a long neck i.e. .308 length case, might help when forming/trimming brass and better for cast, maybe.

 

[fiver]

sold the 308 because it was the unluckiest rifle ever

i still have mine, it turned out to be a good 100yd.cast bullet shooter.
i know for certain there ain't no way i'm not gonna see a target down range.
it's the only gun i own that has a name,,, it's called the Jinx.

 

[fiver]

No, it's not a bolt gun, but you don't have to hotrod everything

well no, but then you could have just bought the 300 savage version and not had to worry about it cause you'd be in the same place.

 

[todd]

i like the 308, but not in that one rifle. i have a rem m7(18.5" barrel) in 7-08.

the caliber that i loathe is the 243 win. i owned rem m700 a,b and cdl and m7. i shoot a deer from 15 - 60 yards, behind the shoulder or shoulder and it would run for 75 - 125 yards. there is one that went 300+ yards (i was using a 85gr x-bullet and it did not expand). it must be 25+ years ago that i gave up on that gawded durned cartridge. then my best friend had/still has m788 in 243 with 100gr win/federal/rem factory cartridges that will do a DRT on deer. sometimes i despise him......lol.

 

[Jeff H]

To split a few more hairs,... 243 v. 6mm Rem v 257 Roberts...

I shot a 25 Souper (308 necked down to .257") side by side with my Roberts for several years and they were neck and neck on velocity and accuracy using the exact same bullets. Interesting and fun cartridge, but I just still have a preference for the older case and milder pressures.

 

[RBHarter]

The bug in the whole Mauser clan is that it's in between . We now have the AR/223 etc , 308/WSM , 06'/WM , and the full Magnum length actions . Nobody wants a long action that doesn't chamber a cartridge that doesn't use the whole thing ...........as I typed that I remembered that I had an AXIS and Stevens 200 both long action 110 patterns in 223 and just like that there is a market nitch for a long action with shorter cartridges chambered . The Axis uses a bolt extension stop to shorten the throw .

That's the argument I've always heard . The long action 110 will feed , at least my example would , a 3.99 OAL set up factory 06' .
If I ever get back around to the 7×57 again i have plenty of length for really long bullets and I have a few 180 gr Match Kings .

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

The bug in the whole Mauser clan is that it's in between . We now have the AR/223 etc , 308/WSM , 06'/WM , and the full Magnum length actions . Nobody wants a long action that doesn't chamber a cartridge that doesn't use the whole thing ...........as I typed that I remembered that I had an AXIS and Stevens 200 both long action 110 patterns in 223 and just like that there is a market nitch for a long action with shorter cartridges chambered . The Axis uses a bolt extension stop to shorten the throw .

That's the argument I've always heard . The long action 110 will feed , at least my example would , a 3.99 OAL set up factory 06' .
If I ever get back around to the 7×57 again i have plenty of length for really long bullets and I have a few 180 gr Match Kings .

Exactly why I built a 280 over a 7/08, a 6.5/06 over shorter and a 35 Whelen over a 350Rem Mag.
I did go 6mm in my Vanguard (Howa LA 1500) But had it throated for a 3.0" OAL loaded cartritage to take advantage.

 

[Bret4207]

well no, but then you could have just bought the 300 savage version and not had to worry about it cause you'd be in the same place.

I've never found an affordable 99 in 300!!! The 308 I got is one of the later "C" models with stamped checking and whatnot. Not my favorite version for sure, but it was the right price.

FWIW, it shoots the same 308x165 loads I used in my Rem 600 (yeah, another one I never, ever should have let go!!!) and everything seems hunky dory. But I'm not trying to make a 308 into a 300 Mag.

 

[todd]

The bug in the whole Mauser clan is that it's in between . We now have the AR/223 etc , 308/WSM , 06'/WM , and the full Magnum length actions . Nobody wants a long action that doesn't chamber a cartridge that doesn't use the whole thing ...........as I typed that I remembered that I had an AXIS and Stevens 200 both long action 110 patterns in 223 and just like that there is a market nitch for a long action with shorter cartridges chambered . The Axis uses a bolt extension stop to shorten the throw .

That's the argument I've always heard . The long action 110 will feed , at least my example would , a 3.99 OAL set up factory 06' .
If I ever get back around to the 7×57 again i have plenty of length for really long bullets and I have a few 180 gr Match Kings .

i don't get the short/long action? i mean it will take you about .02 seconds if you have long action to cycle. the short action weighs less, but it doesn't bother me. it might bother me if i have the rifle, sleeping bag/tent......lol. here back East, i take it home or at least to camp every day. yes, camp is like a 4-star hotel suite including cable tv, hot water, couch, recliners, beds, showers........my grandfather and my dad and uncle built a very beautiful camp that we had for years. then my grandpap and uncle died, i am disabled and my dad was left there holding the bag. then we decided to sell it because of the high taxes.

where was i?

oh, i don't have and never will the mag action. so i gots nuthin more to say about that!!!

Peter-Paul Mauser designs ('91 - '98 mauser and all of 'x57s) are geniuses-level. he should have stopped with the small ring '96 mauser, but he went on and did large ring 98 mauser. 124 years later, people swoon at the chance buy an old '98 mauser and custom it up. oh gee, sorry about the drool i'm having, the mauser actions are just so beautiful.............

the Krag–Jorgensen rifle is a rifle you either hate or love, i love it. my only beef with the 30-40 krag is that it has only one locking lug, when it should have had two. we, meaning the US Gov, screwed the pooch with this one. but after reading Michael Petrov, it changed my mind for the better.

The Krag

There seems to be a lot of customized Krags on the market at this time, many not bad and in the $300-400 range.I�ve seen a lot written about the Krag and many times the one locking lug is always mentioned as the �Weak� link in the Krag. This is to address the design of the Krag not...

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i don't have any of old WW1 AND WW2 springfield's in '06, but i probably buy one just to see how they had to take a '98 mauser action into a old '03 springfield. i read about it, but i've never seen one that i could take apart and put it back together.

 

[RBHarter]

Having in my youth hunted long packs , 5 mile loops , at 7-9000 ft I can say for sure that oz make lb and the wrong sling can make a great hunt hell in the morning . I can't tell you how many times the last mile was just miserable and a few oz off the rifle would have mattered . I honestly don't know how my Dad made some of the hunts we made lugging his heavy barreled 25-06' . There were plenty of times an 8.5 lb 95 or 110 LH would have been happily swapped for a 6.5# mule . I dont foresee any long hikes anymore but if I do any drive or spot and stalk type hunts it won't be with Grandpa's M70 06' or the 98' in 7×57 both out weigh my 110 in 7×57 by a full lb . It's weird because 98 pattern 358 is within a few oz of the 110 and I'd take it . I think the 340 would shine too where 30-30 was a good idea .

Half mile to a stand any rifle in the rack will be great .

 

[todd]

it takes me 15 or 20 minutes to hobble uphill to my ground blind. lol

 

[fiver]

takes me 15 minutes to get out of the truck some days.

 

[todd]

and it better not be raining, cuz i ain't gettin out of bed!!!

 

[Bret4207]

I don't enjoy toting a heavy rifle more than anyone else. But when I look around at the guys that get the carbon fiber stocks and the lightweight this and that, and then add an enormous scope and bipod and sling and ammo carrier on the stock AND the sling...where's the sense? My eye's stink these says but I can still shoot open sights better than my sons. I think a lot of people would be better off learning HOW to SHOOT rather than sticking a 4x12x50 scope, bipod, etc on their rig and taking those Hail Marys across a field.

 

[Bret4207]

the Krag–Jorgensen rifle is a rifle you either hate or love, i love it. my only beef with the 30-40 krag is that it has only one locking lug, when it should have had two. we, meaning the US Gov, screwed the pooch with this one. but after reading Michael Petrov, it changed my mind for the better.

The Krag

There seems to be a lot of customized Krags on the market at this time, many not bad and in the $300-400 range.I�ve seen a lot written about the Krag and many times the one locking lug is always mentioned as the �Weak� link in the Krag. This is to address the design of the Krag not...

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Nice little article. I've seen similar experiments done elsewhere. Nothing wrong with a Krag, 30/40 or 6.5x55, for the average guy.