New 45-70 Mould on the way........

Ben

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http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?cPath=42_138&products_id=1346

2 are gas check, 2 are plain base.

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This latest addition gives me :

  • The 4 cav. NOE, 350 gr. in g/c and plain base.
  • The Lyman 457483 at 390 grs. gas checked
  • The Accurate 460405 V plain base with the wide meplat
  • The NOE 485 gr. g/c HP.

Surely this will handle all my needs with my 45-70 for now.
 

Brad

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Looks familiar.
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Good bullet design. Should shoot well with 24 gr of 2400 too. Mine shoots well at about any sane velocity. And some not so sane velocities too.
 

Wasalmonslayer

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Ben,
You will like it.
I have 2 of them and since starting powder coating I never use gas checked version.
Would you like the gas checks I have for it also?
 

Rally Hess

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Me too. Pushing it to 1700 fps hurts on my end too. Going to back off it some next round. I'm using all GC's.
 

Brad

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Rally, what powder for the 1700 fps loads?
I have used 4895, Varget, 748, 335, and 322 for higher end loads. I found that 335 and 748 gave more speed than I was ever gonna want. 322 is my go to powder now for loads around 1600-1700 in 45-70.

I still shoot way more 2400 in my Marlin than anything else
 

Rally Hess

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I'm loading 40 grs of IMR 4198. Gun seems to like it but I don't. Hurts some to shoot a box from a bench. Can't believe any black bear or hog would mind if I dropped it down around 1550 or so. Killed my last bears with .44 S&W 629, RCBS 245 KT, 1250 Fps. They didn't complain, and only one went 20 yards pushing it's front half. I'm really just wining. The last time I shot my .45-70, I first shot my .32-20 then went to the big gun. Tad bit more recoil.
 
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9.3X62AL

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Using Ross Seyfried's formula to figure smokeless equivalents for blackpowder yields, 40.0 grains of IMR 4198 equates to 128+ grains of The Holy Black. Kills on both ends, I'd reckon.
 

Brad

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I have never used much 4198. I dislike the long sticks, they measure for crap.

Al, based on that conversion it does sound worse than it is. I fired a few 405 Rem bullets at just over 2000 fps long ago in my Marlin. Not very fun at all. After that a 350 at 1700 is nothing.

I generally stick with a 420 gr bullet at 1350 these days. Does all I need.
 

Wasalmonslayer

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The load I use in my marlin guide gun is 33 gr of Imr 4198.
It's a trapdoor load but it shoots minute of pop can or clay pigeon at 100 yds.
I always figured if I got any piece of and animal with that giant piece of lead it was going to be hurting!!
 
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9.3X62AL

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For anyone that "pays attention" while shooting and hunting, the 45/70 becomes in short order a very efficient and capable caliber. This holds true whether you limit yourself to its blackpowder capabilities or add intrepidity through a Marlin 1895 or Ruger #1/#3. It is a bad critter stopper with few equals, and a game taker extraordinaire. Taking a statement from Paul Matthews' book title--"Forty Years With The 45/70"--like him, my nearly 40 years with the caliber has only enhanced my fondness for the big ol' round.

I dabbled with ballistic extension of the sort that Brad spoke of. I had a Ruger #1 in 45/70 for quite some time, and like most folks that reload for and own a 45/70 that can stretch the caliber's legs a bit......I ran a few bullet types through it that could extract more from the caliber than Springfield Arsenal originally intended. Hornady 350 grainers to about 2100 FPS provided all the recreation any recoil addict could wish for in a 7-1/4# rifle; I am fairly certain that my shoulder blades collided repeatedly. I was most thankful that said bullets came 50 to the box--at that, it took 3 range trips to empty those monsters out.

90% of my 45/70 shooting gets done with 30.0 grains of IMR-4198 or Reloder-7 these days. I use a 385 grain FN/GC by Accurate or the Lee 405 grain flat RN plain base in a Marlin 1895. These clock about 1350 FPS, and aren't bad at all. With the oncoming ban of lead bullets for hunting in CA, the work with a "stopper" load for the 45/70 will commence soon with something of the proper unleaded flavor to keep the fauna freddies happy.
 

oscarflytyer

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Ben - Have same mold in original RD version. Just loaded some up with IMR 3031 and RL7. Both at low Trapdoor levels. Shooting Marlin 1895. But my rebuilt shoulder doesn't want heavy loads. Mike (RD - originator) pushes his to max - says they shoot better. I am HOPING I can find a Trapdoor load in the 1400-1550 fps range that will do ~2"/50 yds. If so will do more than I need where I hunt. I am also going to look at the 24 grns 2400 load. I see that one posted more than once for this bullet. if these 3 don't work, will look at IMR 4895/4064, Varget, H335... But I can't believe that something at the velocity I want won't shoot relatively decent. And I am using your 60/40 lube on them. Same thing Mike has gone to.
 

Brad

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For 1400 fps type loads 2400 is about perfect. Might need to try up to 25-26 gr with the 350. Reloder 7 wouldn't be bad either.
 

Ben

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Ben - Have same mold in original RD version. Just loaded some up with IMR 3031 and RL7. Both at low Trapdoor levels. Shooting Marlin 1895. But my rebuilt shoulder doesn't want heavy loads. Mike (RD - originator) pushes his to max - says they shoot better. I am HOPING I can find a Trapdoor load in the 1400-1550 fps range that will do ~2"/50 yds. If so will do more than I need where I hunt. I am also going to look at the 24 grns 2400 load. I see that one posted more than once for this bullet. if these 3 don't work, will look at IMR 4895/4064, Varget, H335... But I can't believe that something at the velocity I want won't shoot relatively decent. And I am using your 60/40 lube on them. Same thing Mike has gone to.

Keep us posted on your progress , please.

Ben
 

oscarflytyer

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Brad - Appreciate it! I keep seeing that 24/2400 load. And have plenty of wiggle room to go up to 25-26. Also have high hopes for the RL7. I really expect one or the other of those to do exactly what I need. I am trying IMR 3031 because that is what I am using at the very low end for my Lee 405 HB. For that one, 38.5 grns IMR 3031 @ 1325 fps (chrono'd). Have a test load bumped to 40 grns, yet to shoot. Used 38 grns for a starting load for the 350. Now I just have to get a range and range time. Lost the last two places I had to shoot. sucks.
 

oscarflytyer

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Keep us posted on your progress , please.

Ben
Wilco. and likewise. have two test loads built, and prob 2-3 more before I get to shoot. Will post both good and bad. Pls do the same. and see above. If you want, I can post the test loads I put together, but prob don't care til I shoot them!