New Century 455

StrawHat

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Have you ever dreamt about hitting the lottery? Or participated in a thread about “What would you buy if you hit the mega thing?”

I posted on such a thread. As many know, I enjoy S&W 45 ACP revolvers and have a few. But the revolver that has recently got me thinking is one of the New Century revolvers submitted by S&W to the Army Trials of 1907. These particular revolvers were entirely new and chambered for a new cartridge. S&W hoped to get the Government contract and sell a bunch to the citizenry also. The revolver was the New Century Hand Ejector and the cartridge was the 45 S&W Special. Yes, the Forty FIVE S&W Special. (S&W later introduced the New Century Hand Ejector, aka Triplelock, to the public in 1908 chambered for the 44 S&W Special.)

The Army chose a different handgun and the rest is history.

But, the 45 Special Triplelock intrigues me and what I posted was to the effect, …I would love to own one of the Trial revolvers but since only two are known, it probably would not happen. But, I could be just as happy with a replica. So if anyone has a better TL, let me know…

Well, don’t you know, a fellow member of that forum reached out to me and he had such a beater, a 455 New Century. The action was nearly frozen and the cylinder was equally reluctant to swing out. It could be mine for a song. As I read the pm I thought to myself, too bad - we just bought a house. Apparently, I thought out loud for my wife wanted to know what prompted the comment. I explained, she said , “oh”. 15 minutes later she asked if I was aware of the current price of the 455 Triple Lock. Not really says I so she quotes from the completed auctions of maybe 1/2 dozen and then says “Tell him you’ll take it!” I about fall out of my chair! Fast forward several weeks and the New Century arrives in my hands. Not nearly as bad as described but not pristine either.


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The action was so stiff, my ffl bathed it in Ballistol to get it to move at all. I got it home and did a swift plunge in acetone and then attacked it with a brass bristle tooth brush. The bore looks good but it has been altered to 45 long Colt but that was disclosed.

The lanyard stud and ring were missing and there was a chunk of the recoil shield missing.

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I wanted to see if the conversion to 45 Colt was done properly so I dropped a 45 long Colt cartridge into the chamber. It dropped in nicely. I did the same with a 45 ACP round and yelped in surprise when the cartridge bounced of my toe! The chambers had been bored clear through. Not sure if this is proper but I don’t think the cylinder left Springfield this way!

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Speaking of leaving the factory, this was in a shipment of many that left on 14 September and were delivered to the Remington Arms Corp, procurement agents for the British was effort.

I found a stud and ring

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I have also found a NOS cylinder for a 38 HD which I will have reworked to handle the the 45 Special cartridge.

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I will keep posting as things change.

Kevin
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I dimly remember reading about that round sometime in the past, someone wrote a pretty long article on it.
anyway this will be a pretty cool deal to follow along on.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
A worthwhile restoration, in my view.

I knew of the 45 S&W meant for the S&W top-break Schofield revolvers. I don't find any info on the 45 S&W Special in the 15th Editions of Cartridges of the World. Google comes up with the 45 S&W/Schofield as the result. Tomorrow I'll check in the Standard Catalog Of S&W and see what shows up there. This one is unfamiliar to me, and its too dark to go poking around in the garage for the SCS&W I left out there the other day when Buckshot and I dived into it. It will have to wait until sun-up. And after breakfast, too.
 

StrawHat

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The 45 S&W Special is also known as the 45 Frankford and was produced solely for the Army Trials.

Kevin
 

StrawHat

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S&W was so confident in this combination they had several thousand boxes labeled and ready for shipping orders. Then the contract did not happen! S&W we’re stuck with all those boxes. The boxes got used, with new labels pasted on, to ship the 455 New Century revolvers to Great Britain for the First World War.

Kevin
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
So what does the cartridge look like? What kind of ballistics? Sounds interesting. Too bad the 455 cylinder was messed with. Lovely old revolver!
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Well, Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson shows zero info on the 45 S&W Special. Its "Named Model" chapter (1896-1957) in the 45 Caliber section lists the variants of the 45 ACP and 455 Eley N-frame revolvers, but not a word on the 45 S&W Special. My idea was to get whatever info I could find, to skulk out some dimensional data and ballistics info. No soap, though--sorry about that.

This is a very intriguing restoration project to me. I wish I could have assisted further.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Never any commercial sales, so "Special" was dropped. This is what it is; 45 Colt with wider rim for star ejector.
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StrawHat

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Never any commercial sales, so "Special" was dropped. This is what it is; 45 Colt with wider rim for star ejector.

That is the 1909 cartridge with the wider rims to allow extraction from double action revolvers since not everyone knows the muzzle goes up before you stroke the extractor rod.

I will find the dimensions of the 1906, 45 S&W Special..

Kevin
 

StrawHat

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These are dimensions taken from the revolver. Copied and pasted from another forum.

“…Originally Posted by kcwheel View Post
Here are some dimensions taken from Triple Lock SN 09. It is a pre-production item made for the army trials. It has a 6 1/2 inch barrel with no caliber markings. This gun was part of my brother's collection.

Headspace in gun: .055 (cylinder pressed forward)
Cylinder OD: 1.694
Clinder length: 1.580 (1917 cylinder is 1.535
chamber depth: .895
Chamber dia: .477
Throat dia of cyl: .454
The front of the chamber is tapered like any other rimmed cartridge chamber.

I will try to attach some pictures. The third round has no headstamp, all others have the FA 4 06.

Ken…”

Measurements from the cartridge, also c&p from another forum.

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DWalt;141238529 said:
There was, at least for the M1906 cartridge. "Dimensions given in the drawing: Rim Diameter - 0.533"; Head Diameter - 0.473"; Neck Diameter - 0.473"; Bullet Diameter - 0.453"; Case Length - 0.923"; Overall Cartridge Length - 1.3".
…”

And a c&p of ballistics.

Originally Posted by DWalt View Post
...Regarding the ".45 Special...It was developed at Frankford Arsenal beginning in 1905, and had a rimmed case 0.923" in length, a 230 grain cupronickel jacketed bullet (drawings show a hemispherical nose), and used 7.2 grains of Bullseye powder...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ddixie884 View Post
...The PDF contained velocity readings of from just under to just over 1,000fps. I don't think the govt was loading any ammo that fast at that time...

The report of the Army Trials shows velocities approaching 1000 FPS with a 255 grain bullet. So, a formidable cartridge, just not what the Army wanted at the time.

I believe the easiest way to create the case will be to cut down the 45 S&W case or even the 45 long Colt case, whichever I have more available. I will have the cylinder reamed to the above dimensions except I will have the throats opened up to match the bore of the barrel.

Kevin
 
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CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Just looked at the Starline page for specs on 45 S&W/Schofield brass--its length sits in the middle between 45 S&W Special @ .923" (as above) and 45 Colt at 1.275"-1.285"--1.090". Head diameter is .010" wider than the Colt, so a bit of base reforming might be indicated--or not. HTH.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
Yep the 45 S&W is 1.10 and Colts @ 1.285 . There is an option with 45 Cowboy , I wish I could remember 45 ACP off the top , it's a Colts rimmed ACP length case suited to ACP data .

I don't trim 45 ACP and only derived a few from rifle cases for proof of concept to me , .898 or .989 ......... The numbers seem right but the order is questionable which is why I have a book I guess .
 

CZ93X62

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45 ACP book spec is .898", most run around .895" IME. My Starline 45 Auto Rim brass is ~.890".
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
.03 short for the Cowboy brass would be tolerable for a low recoil round . Better than trimming a volume of Schofield .......says the guy that is about to trim 25 270s into slightly long necked 7.7×58 to avoid the extra jump .....
 
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StrawHat

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So sort of a 45 Auto Rim on steroids. Very cool!

No, a normal rim as found on all revolver cartridges except the AR. The AR rim is thick to simulate the distance from the forward edge of the extraction groove to the back of the primer. Or maybe better said as dimension from th leading edge of the moon clip to the back end of the primer..So,, a long 45 Cowboy Special or a short 45 S&W.

I am not sure why they did not choose to evaluate revolvers chambered for the 45 S&W? Functioning ammunition was available and had proven itself on the battle fields.

Kevin
 

CZ93X62

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The ways of the Ordnance Bureau are deep and mysterious. Inscrutable. Enigmatic. There was a 222 Rem and a 222 Rem Magnum, but the Ordies opted for the 223 Rem/5.56 x 45. All this, right after getting Western Europe standardized on the 7.62 x 51 via NATO STANAG.
 
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462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Yep, and they opted for a wimpy handgun cartridge to replace a thumper that had proven itself all round the world for 75 years. Didn't take long for some Special Forces troops to see the light.
 

fiver

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and also tossed off the british 7mm round in favor of the 308.
then went searching for something super similar to the Brit round [but you know only slightly smaller diameter] during the sandbox affairs.