New to rifle bollits

fiver

Well-Known Member
that the old LEE for the 45-70?
it looks just like the one I have.

anyway line that one up evenly to a new one and the 009 next to a new one and you'll see why I prefer flat nose bullets for hunting versus round nose ones.
that and the penetration will tell you another something.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Residing in New England
that the old LEE for the 45-70?
it looks just like the one I have.

anyway line that one up evenly to a new one and the 009 next to a new one and you'll see why I prefer flat nose bullets for hunting versus round nose ones.
that and the penetration will tell you another something.
Yup thats the 425g RD mold. That one is case in LINO and ya can see how it "riveted".

Yup ya dont wanna underestimate a high sd when it comes to penetration!!
CW
 
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Brad

Administrator
Staff member
Great bullet for 45-70. With a healthy charge of powder behind it you can do some amazing things.
 

Ben

Moderator
Staff member
I'm fairly positive that's one of Ben's Pic's on the bottom, I lifted it off a search site I use.
Yes, that is the SAECO # 315 shot at 50 yards out of my Handi Rifle , 30-30 Win.
( I don't think the round that is out of the group is the load or rifle, IT IS ME ! )
The SAECO # 315 is one of my favorite 30 cal. cast bullets.

Ben

 
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bruce381

Member
ok you guys hurt my head I shoot all pistols, so i think I understand.

BUT assuming is all works right do the boolist center up do they really and shoot better?
 

Brad

Administrator
Staff member
They CAN shoot well at lower velocities. Above 14-1600 FPS don’t bank on it.
One of the biggest issues is getting a nose just the right size for your bore. Worn throats might need a fatter nose. Tight barrels might need a smaller nose. Changed alloy? Uh oh, nose size just changed a little.

I view them as old school designs Which have been surpassed by newer, better designs.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
now we are getting down to the nuts and bolts of rifle shooting.
aaaand where the whole mess can get real confusing.

alignment [finding the centerline of the barrel with the centerline of the bullet] can be achieved in several ways.
the bore rider uses small amounts of engraving on the nose to lift the case in an effort to get everything centered.

a tapered bullet like the 315 above relies on it's shape to slide forward and up into place.
it works better if you fit the case to the chamber and give it a better chance.

you have other shapes, they rely on forward movement and alloy strength to rattle around some as they work their way down the throat.
then you have the ones that mimic the throats shape and need to snuggle in place or even be somewhat pushed up against the throat with one alloy or seem to do some better with a run using a coating or different alloy.

all of them move the alloy in different ways both during their entrance to the throat and as/how they take up the rifling.
 

L Ross

Well-Known Member
Hey bruce381, welcome to the forum. I somehow missed your arrival.
What rifle do you want to shoot cast in? What purpose do you foresee for that rifle? Paper targets, long range, moderate, close? Hunting?
My pleasure in cast bullet rifle shooting comes from knocking down steel targets with modest loads, that are easy on me, my rifle, my targets, and my budget.
I am now regularly under 2 MOA out to 440 yards. The slower speed of .30 caliber cast is allowing me to experience some of the nuances of long range shooting on a closer scale. What I mean is, just like shooting .22 l.r. out to 300+ yards has force me to learn drop, windage, mirage, and technique, so has shooting cast in rifles. Currently I am stuck at 440 because that is all the range I have here. I view Waco's success of 2 MOA cast at 500 as a worthy goal and one I hope to attain.
We here on the forum can offer more information if we know what your goals are, and can save you a pile of money and frustration to boot.
 

Bret4207

Northern NY
ok you guys hurt my head I shoot all pistols, so i think I understand.

BUT assuming is all works right do the boolist center up do they really and shoot better?

Easy answer to that question. "Maybe." Welcome to the "art" part of the Art and Science of of Cast Boolits!
 

bruce381

Member
Hey bruce381, welcome to the forum. I somehow missed your arrival.
What rifle do you want to shoot cast in? What purpose do you foresee for that rifle? Paper targets, long range, moderate, close? Hunting?
My pleasure in cast bullet rifle shooting comes from knocking down steel targets with modest loads, that are easy on me, my rifle, my targets, and my budget.
I am now regularly under 2 MOA out to 440 yards. The slower speed of .30 caliber cast is allowing me to experience some of the nuances of long range shooting on a closer scale. What I mean is, just like shooting .22 l.r. out to 300+ yards has force me to learn drop, windage, mirage, and technique, so has shooting cast in rifles. Currently I am stuck at 440 because that is all the range I have here. I view Waco's success of 2 MOA cast at 500 as a worthy goal and one I hope to attain.
We here on the forum can offer more information if we know what your goals are, and can save you a pile of money and frustration to boot.

no rifle really just always kinda wondered what they are. I'm sure I do not have the eyes to tell difference.
 
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fiver

Well-Known Member
you might be surprised.
sit down with a good rifle and scope and do your prep work properly and you can make a jacketed bullet guy cry.
they will plonk in 3 maybe 5 shots before having to wait, and you can shoot 20 or even 30 shot groups.
or be like my wife.
just shoot the whole box and come ask for some more ammo before you even get the truck unloaded.