NOE 453-210BD

[Will]

I picked up the brass 4 cav. 453-210BD from NOE during there last 15% off sale. I am really liking the looks of this bullet. Hope to shoot some next week.

Only problem I've found so far is mine weigh 238gr lubed. I'm assuming the gas checked version is the one that weighs 210gr.

 

[Brad]

That bullet makes an awesome looking round.
That bullet would work really well in 45 Colt too. Hmmmmm

 

[LongPoint]

I looked hard at that mold for use in the .45 auto but was put off by the weight. I was looking for something around 210 gr. I believe the HP version comes in at 210 or a little more but I didn't want to mess with a hp. I hope someone tries it in the big Colt cause it sure looks to be a good one. What diameter does it drop at in front of the crimp groove? Would be nice to have some full diameter up front.

 

[9.3X62AL]

I still have about 500 of these left that I cast from a borrowed mould some years back when the original "BD-45" design specs caught on at the old site. Seeing this NOE product and comparing them to mine in hand, they are VERY close--perhaps the meplat on my castings is a mite smaller. Mine weigh 227 grains +/- 1 grain, doing a 10-bullet random sampling. Alloy is 92/6/2. These fed/feed well in my SIG P-220 and Glock 21, but the Series 80 Gold Cup chokes on them once in a while. This same GCNM feeds the WWB 230 JHPs (my 45 ACP carry loads) flawlessly.

I had concerns about that bluff meplat not getting along with feedramps very well. I was mostly mistaken--autopistol feeding moodiness has been largely eliminated since I got active in pistol ammocrafting in the mid-1970s. All that said, a bullet like those pictured would be a NATURAL for the 45 Auto Rim caliber for those using same. A 238 grain weight bracket did no harm to the Keith #452423.

 

[freebullet]

Great looking bullets, Will.

Reminds me of the lee 200 rf, only better. The lee was a great performer in all the 45acp's I had.

 

[Gary]

AWESOME!! I haven't bought a new mold in months now, and that one looks just like the next one I'll get.

 

[fiver]

I routinely use a 225 rnfp in the 45 acp.
I didn't think it would feed at first either but it runs in there like a champ.
I sold my 230gr rn mold when I found out i had a triple roll mold.
it works great in the AR cases too.

 

[358156 hp]

Mine came out as 225 gr HPs (lubed) from soft lead + 2% tin. I was pretty happy about that, I prefer heavier bullets.

 

[9.3X62AL]

As an aside, when I first began casting with my 255 grain Lyman #454424 Keith SWC for the 45 Colt et al, I was a bit surprised at the bullet's short, "squatty" aspect. Drawings/diagrams in catalogs present a bit more elongated form, like that of the #358429. Not so in my two "424" moulds. Short, fat little critters in 92/6/2 weighing 254 grains +/- 1.0 grain, and .455" in diameter as-cast.

 

[Creeker]

Fine looking bullet.

 

[shootnlead]

Good looking bullet...

We have used the Lee 90358 255gr RF in 1911's with no issue...pushed up to about 950fps...makes the 1911, a real hammer...on both ends.

 

[9.3X62AL]

Lead--

I also have a couple Lyman #454190 moulds on hand, but haven't tried them in the 45 ACP self-loaders. Just an abundance of caution on my part, and not sure I "buy" The Experts' bit about how bullets heavier than 230 grains tend to batter pistols excessively. Given that my 45s in-house have aluminum or plastic receivers--or are designed around match shooting--and the 45 ACP with decent ammo will positively put a goblin on his natural aspirations with decent hits--the 230 grain bullets operating in the 850-900 FPS ballpark suffice for my social projects that I pray fervently will never transpire.

I have long used the Lyman #452374 as my practice ammo's bullet of choice for my carry guns. I tried out the BD mould owing to its bluff profile and its potential as a varmint whacker for hunting use, and it does the job very well. So does the Lee 230 grain TC. I can't say that any of these 3 shoot any better in my 3 pistols than do any of their counterparts; the Lee 200 grain H&G #68 knock-off is the Gold Cup's best bullet to a significant degree. The GI Ball "374" does a decent job of anchoring varmints when it connects, too--so I'm not sure just how that big ol' meplat improves varminting potential for jackrabbits and rats. Now, 2-legged varmints......they might be an upgrade there.

 

[shootnlead]

Lead--

I also have a couple Lyman #454190 moulds on hand, but haven't tried them in the 45 ACP self-loaders. Just an abundance of caution on my part, and not sure I "buy" The Experts' bit about how bullets heavier than 230 grains tend to batter pistols excessively. Given that my 45s in-house have aluminum or plastic receivers--or are designed around match shooting--and the 45 ACP with decent ammo will positively put a goblin on his natural aspirations with decent hits--the 230 grain bullets operating in the 850-900 FPS ballpark suffice for my social projects that I pray fervently will never transpire.

I have long used the Lyman #452374 as my practice ammo's bullet of choice for my carry guns. I tried out the BD mould owing to its bluff profile and its potential as a varmint whacker for hunting use, and it does the job very well. So does the Lee 230 grain TC. I can't say that any of these 3 shoot any better in my 3 pistols than do any of their counterparts; the Lee 200 grain H&G #68 knock-off is the Gold Cup's best bullet to a significant degree. The GI Ball "374" does a decent job of anchoring varmints when it connects, too--so I'm not sure just how that big ol' meplat improves varminting potential for jackrabbits and rats. Now, 2-legged varmints......they might be an upgrade there.

We don't use the 255 grainers for goblins...we always take a sidearm when hunting...if a handgun shot is offered on a deer or hog, the 255 grainers work very well, for that. We use standard ammo for all other uses. My soon, in particular, always carried a 1911 hunting...until he got his .44 Special for Christmas. Matter of fact, I have taken the 1911's bear hunting , for a change of pace. It would be effective...7 quick rds of that would kill a mighty big black bear.

I sold all of my 45Colt guns...except for one that I don't shoot...that bullet was a staple when they were around, we don't shoot many of them in the 1911's...but they work great.

 

[358156 hp]

I used to shoot 454190 in 1911s for bowling pins. They don't have to travel really fast to be effective, but they really didn't perform any better on pins that my 230gr LBT LFN, so I drifted away from the heavies although I wouldn't hesitate to use them again if I felt the need. I'm thinking I'd like to have a 454190 hollowpointed rather generously to drop the weight to around 240 gr or so.

 

[freebullet]

Nice! Really like the sharp edge meplat on those.

 

[9.3X62AL]

Lead--

Your counter-bear reference reminded me of a shooting incident involving an officer from an allied agency in the mid-1980s. This man just passed on a few months ago. His shop carried 1911A1-pattern pistols in 45 ACP, a thing I envied at the time, being limited to the 38 Special back in those days. One graveyard shift, I heard their radio on my patrol car's scanner broadcast a "Prowler in progress" call in one of the better neighborhoods in the city. One officer arrives on scene and advises "THE SUSPECT IS RUNNING EAST THROUGH BACK YARDS!" The officer I spoke of initially drove to the end of the block well east of the fleeing subject to box him in, and said same over the air. A few seconds pass, and the first officer puts out "SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED, AREA OF (blank) AND (blank) STREETS!

I was about 3 minutes away, and started in that direction to assist. Shortly thereafter, that end-of-block officer was on the air, stating all was well, shots had been fired but at a BEAR, and for responding folks to chill out. I later learned that the officer looked over the fence to see a black bear coming right at him across the back yard, so he just started putting out rounds. He put 7 rounds out, and every one found its mark. The bear piled up about 8 feet from the guy, just across the fence. Darn good shooting, at 2:45 A.M. in subdued lighting on a fast-moving set of claws and teeth. A long-winded way of saying that 45 ACP even with old school Silvertips can be effective bear medicine.

 

[shootnlead]

Lead--

Your counter-bear reference reminded me of a shooting incident involving an officer from an allied agency in the mid-1980s. This man just passed on a few months ago. His shop carried 1911A1-pattern pistols in 45 ACP, a thing I envied at the time, being limited to the 38 Special back in those days. One graveyard shift, I heard their radio on my patrol car's scanner broadcast a "Prowler in progress" call in one of the better neighborhoods in the city. One officer arrives on scene and advises "THE SUSPECT IS RUNNING EAST THROUGH BACK YARDS!" The officer I spoke of initially drove to the end of the block well east of the fleeing subject to box him in, and said same over the air. A few seconds pass, and the first officer puts out "SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED, AREA OF (blank) AND (blank) STREETS!

I was about 3 minutes away, and started in that direction to assist. Shortly thereafter, that end-of-block officer was on the air, stating all was well, shots had been fired but at a BEAR, and for responding folks to chill out. I later learned that the officer looked over the fence to see a black bear coming right at him across the back yard, so he just started putting out rounds. He put 7 rounds out, and every one found its mark. The bear piled up about 8 feet from the guy, just across the fence. Darn good shooting, at 2:45 A.M. in subdued lighting on a fast-moving set of claws and teeth. A long-winded way of saying that 45 ACP even with old school Silvertips can be effective bear medicine.

I expect the pucker factor was a little higher in that situation, than what I was thinking of.

Geeee Whizzzz...possible nighttime bear attack...not fun.

 

[9.3X62AL]

"Attack" was too strong a word for it, per the guy involved. His take was that he happened to place himself right in the route the bear was taking to get the h--l outta Dodge, and in retrospect he wondered if just side-stepping and letting the critter go by wouldn't have been just as sound a move. He had some history in the military with tight spots in hot, muggy foreign countries--so this wasn't his first rodeo.

 

[Will]

I looked hard at that mold for use in the .45 auto but was put off by the weight. I was looking for something around 210 gr. I believe the HP version comes in at 210 or a little more but I didn't want to mess with a hp. I hope someone tries it in the big Colt cause it sure looks to be a good one. What diameter does it drop at in front of the crimp groove? Would be nice to have some full diameter up front.

My .452 sizer lightly scrapes right in front of the crimp groove.

 

[Will]

Ran a couple mags of these through my glock 30 today. Target was at 25 yards. They shoot a little high with this load, which I think I'll back off on a little. A max charge of titegroup was pretty snappy.