Pet peeve
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Brian Palmer
Active Member
I could "care less" over all about cutting cost, better accuracy, bleh bleh bleh. Yes I want to do that to, but for me it is all about the "I did, I made that". It is 10000x more satisfying drilling the bulls-eye or dropping the game with your own product than store bought. I salivate at getting a shot on game with my MLs with my own BP and ball. Just something about I made this and made it happen.
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RBHarter
West Central AR
Brian ,
Are you mixing your priming compound yet ?
I push all sorts of limits with cast as well .
I just ignore most of the naysayers .
$22/100 was when I broke down and started making my own bullets . What I really wanted was a bullet that would give me an honest 50% shooting scale in an 06' with a limited twist . Where I've come to is very nearly jacketed speeds with equal weights doing jacketed stuff to targets while matching accuracy .
Brian and I have had the good fortune of falling in with an interesting lot . That lot made it possible to shoot real black with cast and find the tools to make caps ......I don't have the gumtion to mix the priming compound yet , I do have the cap making tool though .
This last go around demonstrated that $14/100 across the board beats no ammo available by about $2/ a round .
All of the above is why we do this .
I've expressed this before to people that are light years ahead of me . CB , here , goodsteel , lee-loader and a hand full of others and people that are willing to push all of the limits and share what they are doing have pushed cast shooting from the 101 of the Lyman 48th Ed to 3000 fps 1 moa naked in about 10 yrs , just because there is access to 100 mentors 24/7/365.25 and we can amass and share reams of data in days instead of years .
Are you mixing your priming compound yet ?
I push all sorts of limits with cast as well .
I just ignore most of the naysayers .
$22/100 was when I broke down and started making my own bullets . What I really wanted was a bullet that would give me an honest 50% shooting scale in an 06' with a limited twist . Where I've come to is very nearly jacketed speeds with equal weights doing jacketed stuff to targets while matching accuracy .
Brian and I have had the good fortune of falling in with an interesting lot . That lot made it possible to shoot real black with cast and find the tools to make caps ......I don't have the gumtion to mix the priming compound yet , I do have the cap making tool though .
This last go around demonstrated that $14/100 across the board beats no ammo available by about $2/ a round .
All of the above is why we do this .
I've expressed this before to people that are light years ahead of me . CB , here , goodsteel , lee-loader and a hand full of others and people that are willing to push all of the limits and share what they are doing have pushed cast shooting from the 101 of the Lyman 48th Ed to 3000 fps 1 moa naked in about 10 yrs , just because there is access to 100 mentors 24/7/365.25 and we can amass and share reams of data in days instead of years .
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
If i had a nickel for every time I've had to wrap my head in duct tape regarding cast, well, it'd pay off quite a few bills. Someone said they'd learned more at the various versions of this site about cast than anywhere else. I agree. I started with St Elmer, Skeeter, Dean Grenel, etc. and anecdotal advice form old shooters...most of it bad. Then came Handloader magazine. At one time I subscribed to well over a dozen shooting magazines and newsletters just to get that one or 2 paragraphs an issue that would help. Then around 1997 we got a computer and I found Shooters.com. Thought I'd died and gone to heaven. Over the next 5-8 years I learned more about cast than ever before. Then one day the sole actual rocket scientist I've ever had contact with, the late Felix Robbins, wrote something that turned a page for me. I went from "learning" form other people to thinking for myself based on something Felix sad about fit. I've forgotten exactly what it was, but the light went on. It wasn't long after that that my outlook changed and, to be honest, I got rather short tempered with the endless questions on "the other board". "Can I shoot a GC design without a GC?" "I bought hardcast boolits, they lead like crazy. How come?" It was shortly after that that I started learning a lot more about the character of people sitting behind keyboards too, but that's another issue that is best left alone.
So now I mostly lurk here. I occasionally stop by a few other boards, most seem to want to discuss store bought "hardcast" and coating cast in some sort of plastic, something that holds zero interest for me. But I see the same questions asked that were being asked 20 years ago and the same old wives tales being told. It's enough to drive me mad. What's the old saw? "The more things change, the more they stay the same."? Age of information. Right.
So now I mostly lurk here. I occasionally stop by a few other boards, most seem to want to discuss store bought "hardcast" and coating cast in some sort of plastic, something that holds zero interest for me. But I see the same questions asked that were being asked 20 years ago and the same old wives tales being told. It's enough to drive me mad. What's the old saw? "The more things change, the more they stay the same."? Age of information. Right.
Lots of informations out there. Need to sift thru the garbage to find the good stuff.
I tend to read lots and believe little. I always consider the source and like to verify everything.
Way too many people want to extrapolate what works for one shooting discipline to others. Great, the BPCR guys use 20-1 alloy, works great for them. Not gonna be your best option for 1800 fps in your Marlin 45-70. Neck turning isn't gonna make your 94 Win shoot .3 for 5 shots.
Information is what it is. What people don't realize is that it is up to the user to determine the value to their situation and needs.
I tend to read lots and believe little. I always consider the source and like to verify everything.
Way too many people want to extrapolate what works for one shooting discipline to others. Great, the BPCR guys use 20-1 alloy, works great for them. Not gonna be your best option for 1800 fps in your Marlin 45-70. Neck turning isn't gonna make your 94 Win shoot .3 for 5 shots.
Information is what it is. What people don't realize is that it is up to the user to determine the value to their situation and needs.
Brian Palmer
Active Member
I agree Bret. I kind of lurk here right now, but I am learning alot. I dont do well on the BIG forums with so much going on. My country boy up brining, PTSD, and career I HATE large crowds. It seems in spills over into web forums to. CB I just get over whelmed with SO much posting I find it hard to dig out and retain what I want to learn. Dont have that problem here and other small group forums I follow.
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Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
You're welcome, but the credit goes to good old Felix. All I did was repeat his lesson in an easy to remember way. It was his describing the different elements of the 2 halves of "fit" that turned on the light for me. Static and dynamic fit. Everything we do revolves around those 2 elements as far as I can see. Ignore them, or one side of the equation, and things go south. Pay attention to them and work with them and, with the rare exception of a gun that just hates cast, things work rather well.
Rest in peace Felix. You are missed.
Rest in peace Felix. You are missed.
