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JWFilips
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Rick,
This happens to me all the time when I'm on the rifle range & I get great satisfaction In my grinning! I also like to pick up my targets and leave them laying around the bench while I'm packing up my truck to leave.....I have seen a lot of head scratching as they walk away from my bench.
Yes shooting cast bullets in my rifles gives me great satisfaction indeed!
I have met many at the range who can't imagine shooting lead. So old school, such a waste of time. I do meet a few who actually cast and discuss things like range scrap.
Gun shops are bad, they are frequented by the same "experts" as many online forums. The read, and repeat, all the ad hype the manufacturers put out. No first hand experience but man are the experts.
I am very careful about who I take advice from. That is in all forms of communication.
Gun shops are bad, they are frequented by the same "experts" as many online forums. The read, and repeat, all the ad hype the manufacturers put out. No first hand experience but man are the experts.
I am very careful about who I take advice from. That is in all forms of communication.
Didn't mean to rile everyone, know about preaching to the choir.
I started off a short time ago casting to some, 16-17 years or so.
After my first summer with a big learning curve, I swore I would never cast for anything smaller than a 30 caliber.
Well, 6.5x55 Swede came to stay with me. I read everything I could get my hands on. What the heck I will give it a try. It is ridiculously accurate all the way to 200.
Then with the mess of 22rf ammo supply. Got mad and moved to the 22Hornet, then into a 17 Hornet. I am having a hard time not buying one of the NOE 17 molds. I just could not imagine trying to clean lead from a 17 bore.
I will more than likely end up with one and I think it would be a good for powder coating.
I guess we can be more thankful for those that don't cast. Just think how much harder it would be to find scrap and other alloy.
I started off a short time ago casting to some, 16-17 years or so.
After my first summer with a big learning curve, I swore I would never cast for anything smaller than a 30 caliber.
Well, 6.5x55 Swede came to stay with me. I read everything I could get my hands on. What the heck I will give it a try. It is ridiculously accurate all the way to 200.
Then with the mess of 22rf ammo supply. Got mad and moved to the 22Hornet, then into a 17 Hornet. I am having a hard time not buying one of the NOE 17 molds. I just could not imagine trying to clean lead from a 17 bore.
I will more than likely end up with one and I think it would be a good for powder coating.
I guess we can be more thankful for those that don't cast. Just think how much harder it would be to find scrap and other alloy.
You didn't rile us, you just opened a vent for all this to come out.
I hate being told what I can't do. Motivates the hell out of me.
As for non casters, I appreciate them. Lots of them leave behind range brass and I melt down lots of their bullets. I do wish more of them shot 45s instead of 9s.
I hate being told what I can't do. Motivates the hell out of me.
As for non casters, I appreciate them. Lots of them leave behind range brass and I melt down lots of their bullets. I do wish more of them shot 45s instead of 9s.
Maven
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Difficult to answer, Brad as we don't have a genuine gunshop (and haven't for decades), but when we did, there wasn't even a hint of CB equipment or knowledge. Ditto for Dick's and Gander Mt. Moreover, I think there's only one other caster in my gun club ("Vly" on the Boolits site), although he's a reliable source. That leaves "the web." This site and the CBA site are reliable (I'm a long time member of the latter); Boolits at present, not so much.
I would answer YES.
All can be great places to really get screwed up as a new caster.
I get lots of odd looks at the range. I don't even discuss anything at the local gunshops, most of the employees know little. Online can be good IF you are careful about the source.
No matter what I hear I always like to verify the info with a known source. Call me skeptical.
All can be great places to really get screwed up as a new caster.
I get lots of odd looks at the range. I don't even discuss anything at the local gunshops, most of the employees know little. Online can be good IF you are careful about the source.
No matter what I hear I always like to verify the info with a known source. Call me skeptical.
Ian
Notorious member
I got a good one. Where to find meaningful and valid sub-sonic loading information for 500-grain cast bullet loads in .458 Socom, in an AR-15 platform, with pistol-length gas system?
Lessee....how many people own .45-caliber rifle suppressors. How many people shoot cast bullets in AR-15s. How many people reload for the .458 Socom. How many people do all three....... Well, on the internet, I believe there is exactly one, and I'll post my findings for the next lost soul.
Lessee....how many people own .45-caliber rifle suppressors. How many people shoot cast bullets in AR-15s. How many people reload for the .458 Socom. How many people do all three....... Well, on the internet, I believe there is exactly one, and I'll post my findings for the next lost soul.
Didn't rile me at all.....
All the gunshops 'round here know I shoot cast....they love it.They have never been anything but extremely polite.They smell a sale?Got indoor range and outdoor ranges,so that's no biggy.
Online info doesn't bother me,but you owe it to yourself to check several sources....which is SOP with all reloading.
I do like this site....not to be blowin smoke.I think it's "pure".....meaning,pared down to basic fundamental.Like we always joke about engineering,any dumbarse can make things more complicated....the genius is paring it down to just essentials.
I do feel condescension however when folks put limits or challenges on the table as some sort of game....even though it's well intentioned.So not much anyone is gonna say that will effect the path I and others have already laid out.If the sign says,wet paint.....I don't want paint on my finger so there's no point in testing.So am not the type that "has" to prove another wrong....which only serves to break the concentration.
Focus,concentration,well thought out and managed practice.In coach K's book,each individual has to define success for themselves.....using others definitions will find you never measuring up.I've read probably a contractor wheelbarrows worth of sports psychology books....doh.
All the gunshops 'round here know I shoot cast....they love it.They have never been anything but extremely polite.They smell a sale?Got indoor range and outdoor ranges,so that's no biggy.
Online info doesn't bother me,but you owe it to yourself to check several sources....which is SOP with all reloading.
I do like this site....not to be blowin smoke.I think it's "pure".....meaning,pared down to basic fundamental.Like we always joke about engineering,any dumbarse can make things more complicated....the genius is paring it down to just essentials.
I do feel condescension however when folks put limits or challenges on the table as some sort of game....even though it's well intentioned.So not much anyone is gonna say that will effect the path I and others have already laid out.If the sign says,wet paint.....I don't want paint on my finger so there's no point in testing.So am not the type that "has" to prove another wrong....which only serves to break the concentration.
Focus,concentration,well thought out and managed practice.In coach K's book,each individual has to define success for themselves.....using others definitions will find you never measuring up.I've read probably a contractor wheelbarrows worth of sports psychology books....doh.
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Ian
Notorious member
It has been just about the only source, very glad to have it.
I have been amazed at how closely the velocity numbers match my chronograph.
I wouldn't want to use it to determine max pressure but it sure is nice for most cast bullet shooting. Being able to see what happens when we increase from 10 to 12 gr of Unique in a 45-70 load for instance. What happens if we change to 8 gr of Red Dot?
Ian likes the fact it shows estimated pressure at various points down the barrel so he can have a good idea of port pressure for his M1A.
Quickload shows peak pressure, a pressure curve, estimated MV, muzzle pressure and tons of other stuff.
I will see if I can get the computer to work today and get some same data loaded.
I wouldn't want to use it to determine max pressure but it sure is nice for most cast bullet shooting. Being able to see what happens when we increase from 10 to 12 gr of Unique in a 45-70 load for instance. What happens if we change to 8 gr of Red Dot?
Ian likes the fact it shows estimated pressure at various points down the barrel so he can have a good idea of port pressure for his M1A.
Quickload shows peak pressure, a pressure curve, estimated MV, muzzle pressure and tons of other stuff.
I will see if I can get the computer to work today and get some same data loaded.
Ian
Notorious member
It's really nice to run a dozen powders through a system while adjusting seating depth and hardness and observe muzzle pressure, pressure curve, peak pressure, peak pressure location, percent powder burn, muzzle velocity, and barrel time......and never leave my chair.
In the real world Quickload has been spot-on with velocity numbers (the only real way I have to check the predictions), so I assume the rest is pretty close. The program is absolutely invaluable for estimating safe starting loads (together with any other shreds of valid data that may be available, and a healthy dose of Handloader's Sense), and like Brad wrote I wouldn't rely on it for absolute safe maximums, but with a good chronograph I feel reasonably confident in pressure predictions if the MV numbers match predictions.
Cylinder gap and gas system pressure losses are so far the only things I've found that really trip up the Quickload predictions, as one would expect. Figuring things like gas port pressure in any gas-operated automatic help determine what powders and minimum loads will work before wasting any components. A little outside math applied using some of the heat and expansion data numbers from QL can give a clue of gas volume actually going through the port when you consider time of bullet in the barrel. You can do a lot with QL, but it's not a program for "dummies", it's a program for programmers, sort of like CNC programs and not at all like Windows.
In the real world Quickload has been spot-on with velocity numbers (the only real way I have to check the predictions), so I assume the rest is pretty close. The program is absolutely invaluable for estimating safe starting loads (together with any other shreds of valid data that may be available, and a healthy dose of Handloader's Sense), and like Brad wrote I wouldn't rely on it for absolute safe maximums, but with a good chronograph I feel reasonably confident in pressure predictions if the MV numbers match predictions.
Cylinder gap and gas system pressure losses are so far the only things I've found that really trip up the Quickload predictions, as one would expect. Figuring things like gas port pressure in any gas-operated automatic help determine what powders and minimum loads will work before wasting any components. A little outside math applied using some of the heat and expansion data numbers from QL can give a clue of gas volume actually going through the port when you consider time of bullet in the barrel. You can do a lot with QL, but it's not a program for "dummies", it's a program for programmers, sort of like CNC programs and not at all like Windows.
QL will also generate a chart with a single powder with a user identified increment of charges over a set range. Say 10% above and below 10 gr of powder in .1 gr increments. Being able to see how pressure and velocity change gives you a good start point with that powder. You also can decide at what point that powder is too fast and move to a slower powder.
For the money I find QL to be an excellent value. Like a hardness tester for lead it isn't required but it sure makes things easier.
For cartridges like the 375 Win with not a ton of data with shotgun powders it is a huge help.
For the money I find QL to be an excellent value. Like a hardness tester for lead it isn't required but it sure makes things easier.
For cartridges like the 375 Win with not a ton of data with shotgun powders it is a huge help.
JonB
Halcyon member
I rarely see/talk to anyone at the range. I always try to time my visits so I am alone.
once in a while, when I get to the range and there are cars in the parking lot, I just keep driving past and come back another time.
I think I've only met one other person at the Local Gun Shop that casts...when I've brought up casting to the local crowd there, I've never got into any negative or argumentative type conversations.
So, the answer for me, only leaves online.
once in a while, when I get to the range and there are cars in the parking lot, I just keep driving past and come back another time.
I think I've only met one other person at the Local Gun Shop that casts...when I've brought up casting to the local crowd there, I've never got into any negative or argumentative type conversations.
So, the answer for me, only leaves online.
quicksylver
Well-Known Member
i am with JONB..there aren't enough gun shops anymore to get bad info from ....quite a number of people are shooting commercial cast at the HG ranges...BUT THE INTERNET IS LOADED with bad advice...