Brad is the one shooting pills from his platform.
True but he doesn't load them into brass cartridge cases.
Powder Measure vs. Powder Drop
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True but he doesn't load them into brass cartridge cases.
Never had a lock down here. Nope not for a single minute.
Sorry, yes I was rubbing it in.
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Dale 257 Bob gets me the most. It's 257 Roberts, not Bob, and I need one.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Sure are a lot LC and Long Colts around ....
I got hammered on a while back for calling it a 45 Colts . I always thought it was a 45 cal pistol cartridge patented by Colt's manufacturing or something along those lines which I guess would actually make it a 45 Colts' showing ownership or possession . Anyway I told him to stick in his 30 cal model of 1906 with his 7.92 JS and have a nice day .
I got hammered on a while back for calling it a 45 Colts . I always thought it was a 45 cal pistol cartridge patented by Colt's manufacturing or something along those lines which I guess would actually make it a 45 Colts' showing ownership or possession . Anyway I told him to stick in his 30 cal model of 1906 with his 7.92 JS and have a nice day .
Ian
Notorious member
Someone, somewhere posted a photograph of a box of genuine .45 Short Colt cartridges, produced circa turn of century before last, as justification for the perceived necessity to add the modifier "long" to the .45 Colt cartridge. I was under the impression the U.S. Army came to call the cartridge "long" to positively differentiate from the shorter (and altogether incompatible) .45 Schofield that the Cavalry was using at the time. Who knows for sure.
Sam Colt was long dead by 1873, and remember that he foolishly let his ego get the better of him and turned Rollin White away, thus was dooming his company to survive on the percussion revolver design until his dying day and a few years beyond. After all that, I think it's kind of ironic (and not entirely just) that a fixed cartridge bears his name. But his company designed it, so there it is.
Sam Colt was long dead by 1873, and remember that he foolishly let his ego get the better of him and turned Rollin White away, thus was dooming his company to survive on the percussion revolver design until his dying day and a few years beyond. After all that, I think it's kind of ironic (and not entirely just) that a fixed cartridge bears his name. But his company designed it, so there it is.
Wiresguy
Active Member
Some of the "nomenclature games" may just be people trying to be "kewl". Or their education was lacking. More emphasis on "Feeling" than actually learning something useful. I'll move on from this before I get dinged
I see on a couple of 1911 forums where people use abbreviations, thinking everyone else understands what they are meaning. FTF - "Failure to Fire" "Failure to Feed" " Failure to Function", or FCS, which I thought as "Fire Control System" but the person meant "Front Cocking Serrations". It is not so difficult to simply write out what you mean so that it is clear to the reader.
45 Colt vs 45 Long Colt: I once owned a custom M58 done up by Spokhandguns. Mr. Ewer engraved the caliber on the side of the barrel as ".45 Long Colt". Perhaps that was what the customer requested? Or not...
I see on a couple of 1911 forums where people use abbreviations, thinking everyone else understands what they are meaning. FTF - "Failure to Fire" "Failure to Feed" " Failure to Function", or FCS, which I thought as "Fire Control System" but the person meant "Front Cocking Serrations". It is not so difficult to simply write out what you mean so that it is clear to the reader.
45 Colt vs 45 Long Colt: I once owned a custom M58 done up by Spokhandguns. Mr. Ewer engraved the caliber on the side of the barrel as ".45 Long Colt". Perhaps that was what the customer requested? Or not...
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CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Cartridges of the World, 15th Edition to the rescue. 45 S&W Schofield has same case diameter as 45 Colt (.478"), but rim diameter was about .020" wider to better engage the star-extractor on Schofield-pattern top-break revolvers. (.506" vs. ~.526" Case length is 1.10".
45 Colt had longer case (1.285").
There was ALSO a "45 Colt Government" caliber, which had a 1.10" case. This was done to prevent supply problems with both 45 Colt andf 45 S&W revolvers in service; the shorter-cased cartridges could fit all service sidearms with this ammo adaptation. I suspect THIS is the genesis of the term "Long Colt".
Next week's mystery--45 ACP and the 45 Auto Rim, and the U.S. using services' 112 year love affair with the 45 caliber sidearm, and why a wartime expedient 103 years ago remains so popular today. There will be no commercial interruptions.
45 Colt had longer case (1.285").
There was ALSO a "45 Colt Government" caliber, which had a 1.10" case. This was done to prevent supply problems with both 45 Colt andf 45 S&W revolvers in service; the shorter-cased cartridges could fit all service sidearms with this ammo adaptation. I suspect THIS is the genesis of the term "Long Colt".
Next week's mystery--45 ACP and the 45 Auto Rim, and the U.S. using services' 112 year love affair with the 45 caliber sidearm, and why a wartime expedient 103 years ago remains so popular today. There will be no commercial interruptions.
462
California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Thank you, Wiresguy, for mentioning abbreviations. It's something that irritates me very much, and generally quit reading a post that is filled with abbreviations that I don't know.
I make diligent efforts to not use them, and on the rare occasion that I do, they are well known and stand for only one thing. Or so I hope . . .
I make diligent efforts to not use them, and on the rare occasion that I do, they are well known and stand for only one thing. Or so I hope . . .
RBHarter
West Central AR
I can't tell you how many times I've had to reread something because clip on wheel weight made zero sense for fire forming .......COW vs COWW ........ eventually I figured Cream of Wheat but I gotta say Grits are just a lot handier around our place , I mean where would I be without girls raised in the south , well that and ground fat white corn .
358156 hp
At large, whereabouts unknown.
Total agreement here. The 45 Government was indeed a shortened 45 Colt case. The S&W Schofield had a larger rim diameter, and wouldn't chamber in the Colt Single-Actions. Supply concerns led to the development of a cartridge that could be fired in a Colt or S&W. I'm of the opinion that the "Long/Short" Colt came from the commercial ammunition manufacturers. I don't believe that Colt ever designated a cartridge as "Long". The full length cases were identified simply as "Colt". The short cases likely originated as "Colt Short". I have an elderly (1907) Colt Pocket Positive in 32 Colt, and it's simply marked "Colt DA .32". I think I've seen Iver Johnsons and the like marked as 32 Short Colt, but it's been ages. My Pocket Positive is pretty tiny, so perhaps Colt only made one cylinder length for their revolvers, and the "Short" moniker was completely fabricated outside of Colt for non-Colt revolvers all along. There are a lot of theories out there.
Or I could be crazy, too.