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freebullet
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Now that I have your attention......
Anyone here paper patching for muzzleloader? If so, please share details.
Anyone here paper patching for muzzleloader? If so, please share details.
David Reiss
Active Member
You can paper patch any bullet, even traditional CBs with or without gas checks. It takes no special rifles or rifling. I suggest you check out our forum at the CBA, there are plenty of guys with experience. Also I just read a good article about paper patching and when I remember where, I will post the info.
I have experimented with it over the years with smokeless traditional load & bullets with really good success, but have always gone back to lube because it was easier. But I am far from being an expert.
I have experimented with it over the years with smokeless traditional load & bullets with really good success, but have always gone back to lube because it was easier. But I am far from being an expert.
David Reiss
Active Member
I remembered. It's a 1995 Handloader's Digest by Paul Matthews on paper hunting bullets. The same Matthews that's written the books on paper patching, black powder shooting and so on.
David Reiss
Active Member
False muzzles have actually little to do with paper patch bullets at all. False muzzles are simply a method of loading bullets of all types or balls into a rifle bore without deforming / shaving them on the sharp, square end of a target rifle so equipped. The theory (correctly) is that a target rifle with a square flat muzzle with no bevel to assist in loading bullets is more accurate. The reason that it has not been continued with benchresters, cast & jacketed, is that it is basically an unsafe practice with breech loaded cartridges. It is a scary practice at best loading the bullet from the muzzle with a loaded cartridge case in the chamber in order to benefit from a muzzle loaded bullet. Of course one can start with a square flat muzzle and still breech load by inserting the bullet into the throat by hand, plug or other apparatus, but then you lose the benefit of a muzzle loaded bullet.
fiver
Well-Known Member
I think you'd tear the jezus out of the patch trying to get it down the barrel.
now that that is out of the way.
most black powder paper patched cartridge type rounds are sized to bore diameter and not groove diameter.
the pop off of the powder bumps the pure lead up to fill the rifling.
if I were gonna try it.
you should be able to patch to bore diameter, lube the patch and glide it down the barrel.
you [of course] would want to match your twist rate with your projectile length, and I would use a hollow [cup] base to fold the twist into.
something like a minie patched and sized to 490-495 in a 50 cal would be what I would end up starting with.
now that that is out of the way.
most black powder paper patched cartridge type rounds are sized to bore diameter and not groove diameter.
the pop off of the powder bumps the pure lead up to fill the rifling.
if I were gonna try it.
you should be able to patch to bore diameter, lube the patch and glide it down the barrel.
you [of course] would want to match your twist rate with your projectile length, and I would use a hollow [cup] base to fold the twist into.
something like a minie patched and sized to 490-495 in a 50 cal would be what I would end up starting with.
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freebullet
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Thanks fellas. Your input is appreciated.
I read this link amongst many others.
http://blog.westernpowders.com/2015/07/paper-patching-your-inline-muzzleloader/
Looks like this fellow is recommending a 530gr bullet. Most of the info states not to use bullets heavier than 400 gr so this article was a bit out of normal. I did notice the highest charges he recommends are lower than manufacturers are listing for the 400 gr bullets.
I also found some folks using pp with 450ish gr bullets & claiming success.
At the moment I don't have a mold to try it. Eventually I think I will. Any thoughts on using bullets as heavy as mentioned in the article?
I read this link amongst many others.
http://blog.westernpowders.com/2015/07/paper-patching-your-inline-muzzleloader/
Looks like this fellow is recommending a 530gr bullet. Most of the info states not to use bullets heavier than 400 gr so this article was a bit out of normal. I did notice the highest charges he recommends are lower than manufacturers are listing for the 400 gr bullets.
I also found some folks using pp with 450ish gr bullets & claiming success.
At the moment I don't have a mold to try it. Eventually I think I will. Any thoughts on using bullets as heavy as mentioned in the article?
David Reiss
Active Member
I read the article by Johnson and found it to be inline with my experience. The bullets, charges and velocities are more than enough for deer size game. However I think any bullet over 450 is not needed. Keep in mind that the bullets don't have to be smooth and can have grease grooves. I have used liquid Alox to lube the patches and then left to try.
Ian
Notorious member
I think you'd tear the jezus out of the patch trying to get it down the barrel.
Yep, need a false muzzle unless using the bump-to-fit method, which I would actually think would be the only way to make it work with BP anyway. I'm thinking paper-jacketed Minie'-style projectiles with the paper tucked into the skirt and packed with a stiff version of Emmert's lube. Would need a Delrin short-starter turned to the nose profile, though.
Maven
Well-Known Member
Several years ago I purchased 2 Lee .50cal. REAL's (2 different weights) for my Knight Bighorn inline (26" Green Mt. bbl.; 1:28" twist). They weren't of sufficient diameter to give me the results I'd hoped for in comparison to T/C Maxi-Balls, which I cast and got good accuracy from. I suppose I could have "beagled" those REAL's, but I didn't think of it, and since paper patching was a tad less fussy, I took that route. The results were good, as the 50 yd. groups shrunk by almost 50%, but weren't as good as those I got with Maxi-Balls or Ly. #429421 in a HP MMP sabot. I also tried the Lee Improved Minie that I got form Starmetal [Joe} both "as cast" and paper patched. Paper patching iimproved accuracy significantly, but it still wasn't as good as the T/C Maxi-Balls or the saboted Keith CB.
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freebullet
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Thank you all.
I'm debating getting the lee 501-440 & a few push throughs or having Tom cut one of the designs he offers in the proper size. We'll see what joy saboted, and conical types bring first.
I'm debating getting the lee 501-440 & a few push throughs or having Tom cut one of the designs he offers in the proper size. We'll see what joy saboted, and conical types bring first.
SierraHunter
Bullshop jr
I think you'd tear the jezus out of the patch trying to get it down the barrel.
now that that is out of the way.
most black powder paper patched cartridge type rounds are sized to bore diameter and not groove diameter.
the pop off of the powder bumps the pure lead up to fill the rifling.
if I were gonna try it.
you should be able to patch to bore diameter, lube the patch and glide it down the barrel.
you [of course] would want to match your twist rate with your projectile length, and I would use a hollow [cup] base to fold the twist into.
something like a minie patched and sized to 490-495 in a 50 cal would be what I would end up starting with.
Bore size PP is what I would try as well. I have shot bore diameter PP from a sharps 45/90 with great results.