Red Dot

richhodg66

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Dropped by a local shop today, normally not a great shop which doesn't carry reloading supplies. First off, a bunch of rough .22 rifles and shotguns chead, many of which were marked for hunter safety class. In the corner, there was about eight or ten shotgun loaders, primers, powder, and a sealed eight pound keg of Red Dot. Seems they bought out an estate sale of an old guy in the community I just read had died, he was an avid hunter safety and Ccw instructor. Shop is asking $150 for that keg of Red Dot and the same for a keg of 700X. Haven't had any Red Dot fir quite a while. I have a lot of 700X already. Think I'm gonna do some figuring and go back with more time to look more closely. That Red Dot would keep me shooting cast bullet loads forever if primer supplies come back.
 

richhodg66

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I might. May just try to swing a deal on som 209 primers too. Also had quite a few bottles of Pyrodex and a ton of thr bulk packed Crossman .177 pellets. Enough of those tp justigy buying a good air rifle.
 

richhodg66

Well-Known Member
Kinda watching expentitures for a while in preparation for getting violated by the IRS in April which always happens. Probably gonna go back and at least try to strike a deal on the Red Dot and primers.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
it would have hurt the pocket book some, but i'd have grabbed both the 700-x and red-dot so fast i'd have probably spilled most of them.

just a heads up.
anything red-dot can do 700-X can do too, i've come to prefer 700-X for metallic shooting over red-dot.
i prefer red-dot in my shot shell stuff, mostly because i've developed so many loads with it and keep coming back to it [and green-dot] time after time even after trying other powders.
 

JBinMN

Member
Red Dot & Promo are some of my favorite powders for handguns using cast bullets in particular, other than using them for shotgun loads and occasional rifle loads.
I think they are very cost efficient. The burn rate is very similar to Bullseye, and you can find it listed in more than a couple reloading manuals for handgun & rifles, let alone shotgun loads, even in the more recent 50th Lymans reloadng manual.
I have several boxes of Red Dot loads for 38Spec. loaded up with IIRC, about 3.0 gr.s just for plinking cast bullets. IIRC, I use about 4.8 gr. for 45ACP pushing a 230gr. cast bullet as well.Prolly have some other loads of RD already for other calibers, but I would have to go look to be sure. Anyway, I like the stuff. :)

I was just looking at one load on page 143 of the 50th recently, since I am currently working on some .223 Rem. bolt action rifle loads for cast and Red Dot was top of the list for a 55 gr. cast bullet. ( 700x was right next in line in the load data list below the Red Dot. ;) )
Start load was 5.6 gr. ( 1795fps) & Max. was 9.0gr. ( 2280fps). Pretty cost effective.
You could get a lot of rounds loaded up out of an 8 pounder of either powder.
;)

You wouldn't get hurt by getting either one or both for the $150ea. unless the powder has gone bad in the kegs.

G'luck~!
:)
 
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richhodg66

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Unless i become a very avid trap shooter for years, i'm probBly set with 700x until I'm too old to shoot. The Lyman cast manuals have data for everything with 700x. I just shot some
45 colt today. The old standard "6.5 grains of Red Dot is a good load under any bullet in .45 Colt" seems to hold true with 700X as well.
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
I probably would have bought the RD. A very versatile powder. Never used 700X, it may be just as good but zero experience so I would leave it for someone else..
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
I wasn't a 700X fan, it was kind of cranky to meter in my Dillon. For some reason Red/Dot/Promo works really well for me.
 

Mainiac

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Unless i become a very avid trap shooter for years, i'm probBly set with 700x until I'm too old to shoot. The Lyman cast manuals have data for everything with 700x. I just shot some
45 colt today. The old standard "6.5 grains of Red Dot is a good load under any bullet in .45 Colt" seems to hold true with 700X as well.
I have a bisley 45 colt,,and a load i found years ago,is 7.3 grs reddot,behind a 452460 200 gr bullet.does an even 1000 fps,,and you just wouldnt beleave how tight that shoots.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
...The old standard "6.5 grains of Red Dot is a good load under any bullet in .45 Colt....

...and you'd only nee $862-worth of primers to use it up at that rate!;)

I'd have a hard time passing 8# of Red Dot for $150, but the way my brain is geared right now is PRIMER-CENTRIC.

However, if things ever do loosen up a bit, you would be pretty set for powder and could focus more on primers when they get somewhere between insane and reasonable again.

Seriously - in April of 2020, when I last bought primers for $24/k (CCI, no less), if I'd have known, I'd have put $5k on the home equity line of credit, sold half for twice what I aid and settled up on the HELOC in a month or two and be set for life-PLUS.:headbang:
 

Petrol & Powder

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.............

Seriously - in April of 2020, when I last bought primers for $24/k (CCI, no less), if I'd have known, I'd have put $5k on the home equity line of credit, sold half for twice what I aid and settled up on the HELOC in a month or two and be set for life-PLUS.:headbang:
If your crystal ball was that reliable you would be richer than Warren Buffet. But the world doesn’t work that way.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Sooner or later, it will start costing money for these buccaneer component dealers to sit on their primer stocks like Scrooge McDuck. End users need to hold firm against this predatory pricing until sanity returns to the market.

Component makers insist that primers are in full production, yet they remain scarce. Somebody is lying somewhere in the production & distribution stream.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Sooner or later, it will start costing money for these buccaneer component dealers to sit on their primer stocks like Scrooge McDuck. End users need to hold firm against this predatory pricing until sanity returns to the market.
/\ Agreed 100% /\

Component makers insist that primers are in full production, yet they remain scarce. Somebody is lying somewhere in the production & distribution stream.
/\ Primers are in full production, but current full production is still below the level of demand.

The problem is not simple, nor can it be attributed to a single issue.

There has been an incredible increase in the total number of gun owners in the U.S.A., and that brings with it a huge increase in demand for ammo.

There is a protracted war in Ukraine that is consuming ammunition supplied by other countries. As those reserve stocks from supporting nations are drawn down, they must be replaced with new ammunition.

The protracted ammunition shortage resulted in a serious revision of what "adequate" stocks are; and that applies to individuals AND government agencies. Everyone, across the public and private sectors are laying in larger ammo reserves than before. Eventually the stockpiles will reach saturation and that demand will ease.

Continued unrest and talk of increased gun control only fuels the hording mentality.

The biggest fear of increasing production capacity it that the buying bubble will burst and you will be stuck with a very expensive and idle manufacturing facility.

We are seeing some expansion of component production but that’s a LONG pipeline and demand remains high. The market will eventually stabilize, but with millions of new gun owners, talk of increased gun control, a full scale war going on, and other factors; it may be a slow return to stability.

It would help if people stopped paying obscene asking prices.
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
If I'd had $1000 dollars I'd have bought new pesos at 3000 to 1 and retired for good on the interest in 1995 .
I just have to make the 30-40 k primers last 4 more yr . Since I've fired less that 2000 rounds in the last 5 years I'm probably going to make it without too much trouble .
I don't have a clue where I am primers to powder it's hard to make average math when data for say Unique runs from 2.0-29.0 and 4-10 gr is core so 8 cartons per jug ok ........ I need 8 more for the Herco I haven't opened yet and 12 for the Red Dot.......I guess the 4350 and 4831 should average at 45 gr but that assumes that the 275 , 06' , and 45-70 will end up sharing equally..... So 6# per 1000 for LRP so the 6-7 cartons there should be ok .......the 322 and 4198 though 3#/1000 SRP is good to go ....... Forgot about the LRP 6.8 brass .......and the 30-30 ........ I will load some 410 and 16 ga but I don't think I'll need any more 12 or 20 especially if I don't get any more ducking action than I've seen lately .
 

JustJim

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I'm lazy. For handguns using LPP, I usually ballpark 1k primers per pound of powder. If I'm loading for a variety of guns, with multiple powders, it usually winds up a bit in favor of excess powder (though my years with the 5-shot 45 Colts and .475 Linebaughs did skew that). For SPP 9mm/38/357) I generally allow 1,200 primer per pound. LRPs I figure at 150 primers per pound.

Definitely not "precise" but it was always close enough when catching deals on powder or primers at gun shows. Right now, I'm lower than I'd like on LRR and LPP, but I can probably fix that over the summer.