Shooting .22 cast...
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He likes to use them on P dogs. That hard makes me brittle enough to give cleaner kills.
He also likes bullets harder than I use.
I would start with heat treated alloy from 50 pounds range scrap, 5 pounds monotype. Gives close to 3% Sb, 1% Sn. Heat treats very well.
Wait for fiver to chime in. He has some awesome shooting loads way faster than you listed.
He also likes bullets harder than I use.
I would start with heat treated alloy from 50 pounds range scrap, 5 pounds monotype. Gives close to 3% Sb, 1% Sn. Heat treats very well.
Wait for fiver to chime in. He has some awesome shooting loads way faster than you listed.
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freebullet
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When I've tried linotype straight it left bad antimony wash all 22" down the barrel. I believe my mistake...or one of them at the time was not letting them age.
KHornet
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Brad is correct, I do like my little ones hard, and for the reasons he listed. I will shoot new handgun bullets without much ageing, but have very seldom shot any bullets other than handgun that are not at least a month or two old. I have bullets of various denominations that are probably over 10 years old. I water drop most everything, because I find it convenient. I will air cool some handgun bullets and shoot them at 12-14 BH. It is however rare that I cast rifle bullets much less than 18BH. I am not worried about shooting out a bbl with cast, and on some of my little HP's will be in the 26-27 BH Range. Great on PDogs, no ricochet! I have cast with straight Lino, and with Mono. What I do works for and satisfies me, if it does not satisfy you so be it. I also size a lot of 224s. to .226, and on some that drop at .2265 or even .227, I may shoot as cast if they shoot well.
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9.3X62AL
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In my 22 Hornet (Ruger #3) and 223 (Ruger 77RC) Linotype shoots better than 92/6/2. Lino fills out those DINKY LITTLE GROOVES AND BANDS on Lyman #225438 better than 92/6/2 also. 4% tin casts some GORGEOUS bullets. Yeah, they are harder than woodpecker lips, but I have quite a bit of Lino, Mono, and a little bit of Foundry type laying around. 12#-13# of 22 caliber bullets in a 1# coffee can is a whole lot of shooting. Reject rate--scale confirmed--is less than 10% when cast of Lino. That is to a 1/2 of 1% standard, too. I "eyeball inspect" for obvious flaws as the cooled castings get canned, then scale them later.
quicksylver
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OK ...guys you have caught my interest.
What are we (you) looking at for 100 yd accuracy out of bolt gun in .223 /5.56 ?
Twist rates etc.
Thanks ,Dan S.
What are we (you) looking at for 100 yd accuracy out of bolt gun in .223 /5.56 ?
Twist rates etc.
Thanks ,Dan S.
RBHarter
West Central AR
I've run the Bator from WDWW in a 222 unchecked for about 3" at 100 @ 2200 over Unique with a harder wetter Darrs lube.
This rifle shoots factory 50s from FC ,Rem ,Win and Hornady into less than an inch within 2" of POH .
I've worked up 223 with the NOE 225-55 FP weighing 65 gr in a 16" 1-8 twist. Bullets also in WDWW ,Hornady checks, wetter harder Darrs lube, and 4198 running 2380 to 2410 with accuracy equal to or better than GI, Rem and PMC BTFMJ 55gr at 100 .
GI expectations are 3" @100 for M16 and M4 rifles with rework for those exceeding 4" . The unit I'm working hovers around 5 into 2.25 with 2 of 10 going wide from the above fmj ammos . I attribute part of that to still learning the platform and the platform being zero round count . I expect it to settle down some as the sharp edges of the case hardened bbl smooth up.
I haven't worked up jacketed loads in any of these rifles for the ragged hole .
This rifle shoots factory 50s from FC ,Rem ,Win and Hornady into less than an inch within 2" of POH .
I've worked up 223 with the NOE 225-55 FP weighing 65 gr in a 16" 1-8 twist. Bullets also in WDWW ,Hornady checks, wetter harder Darrs lube, and 4198 running 2380 to 2410 with accuracy equal to or better than GI, Rem and PMC BTFMJ 55gr at 100 .
GI expectations are 3" @100 for M16 and M4 rifles with rework for those exceeding 4" . The unit I'm working hovers around 5 into 2.25 with 2 of 10 going wide from the above fmj ammos . I attribute part of that to still learning the platform and the platform being zero round count . I expect it to settle down some as the sharp edges of the case hardened bbl smooth up.
I haven't worked up jacketed loads in any of these rifles for the ragged hole .
JWFilips
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Dan,
I have a Remington Sprtsman 78 model in .223" With a 55 grain CBE bullet and 12 grains Reloader 7 I get 1 1/2" 10 shot groups at 100 yards with a 12 x scope on a "good seeing day" Most times however I shoot at 50 yds because even with a scope my vision comes in an out Either I have to shoot real quick or very slow waiting out the clarity.
All my loads are seated in the throat.
Jim
I have a Remington Sprtsman 78 model in .223" With a 55 grain CBE bullet and 12 grains Reloader 7 I get 1 1/2" 10 shot groups at 100 yards with a 12 x scope on a "good seeing day" Most times however I shoot at 50 yds because even with a scope my vision comes in an out Either I have to shoot real quick or very slow waiting out the clarity.
All my loads are seated in the throat.
Jim
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9.3X62AL
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In 223 it is "early days" with RCBS 22-55-SP, and none of my shots to date have been with scaled bullets. The rifle is a Ruger 77RC, a whip-barreled 16.5" long with 1-9" twist. It is preternaturally accurate with Nosler 55 BTs/25.0 x 748, recording several 5-shotters of 1-1/8" to 1-1/2" at 200 meters. The RIFLE can shoot, for certain. It shouldn't, given its barrel contour--but I'm not one to dwell at length on a gift horse's dentition.
With castings at 100 yards, it has intrigued me with 1 flier and 4 hits between 1.25" and 1.75". I smell a consistency issue, and maybe eyeballing isn't sufficiently critical. Realistically, if I can get 1800 FPS--1.5" mean and consistent grouping--I will be one happy shooter. The reasonably decent work by the 22 Hornet/#225438 combination re-awakened my interest in pursuing this Holy Grail. Drat the luck.
With castings at 100 yards, it has intrigued me with 1 flier and 4 hits between 1.25" and 1.75". I smell a consistency issue, and maybe eyeballing isn't sufficiently critical. Realistically, if I can get 1800 FPS--1.5" mean and consistent grouping--I will be one happy shooter. The reasonably decent work by the 22 Hornet/#225438 combination re-awakened my interest in pursuing this Holy Grail. Drat the luck.
waco
Springfield, Oregon
Well, after I sorted, culled and weighed out some bullets I sized and lubed 20 to load. ACWW with 2% tin added sized to .225" and lubed with BAC and Hornady checks. Will be loaded in my CZ 527 .221 Fireball. Results to come. Any suggestions on powder??? Weight lubed and checked is 56.7-56.8
Side note. CCI primer trays work great as bullet trays!
Side note. CCI primer trays work great as bullet trays!
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fiver
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I can't remember the case volume of the fireballbut think it's smaller than the 223.
those are gas checked right?
if so 11 grs of 2400 does real well in the 223 at reasonable velocity's.
reduce appropriately for the smaller case.
if you wanna get a bit more cheeky try some slower powders like varget/748/or 4895 at the 18 gr mark and muck around there for a bit.
I also favor a little harder alloy but found lino-type too hard for best accuracy so I just cut it in half with lead.
then I threw 2% tin in that, it seemed to balance things out a little better for me.
those are gas checked right?
if so 11 grs of 2400 does real well in the 223 at reasonable velocity's.
reduce appropriately for the smaller case.
if you wanna get a bit more cheeky try some slower powders like varget/748/or 4895 at the 18 gr mark and muck around there for a bit.
I also favor a little harder alloy but found lino-type too hard for best accuracy so I just cut it in half with lead.
then I threw 2% tin in that, it seemed to balance things out a little better for me.
Stonecrusher
Active Member
I have been working with .222 Rem since last summer. Have been using a 1972 Win Model 70 with the NOE 225-37FN and the 225-55FM(RCBS). Air dropped coww with 2% tin. Ben's Red sized .225" to .2265". Results have been pretty good and the guns shows a preference for the 37gr. Like 9.3x62Al I have three or four shots clustered around 1" with the flyers opening groups up to a pretty consistent 1.5"-1.75". Group size stays pretty much the same from 1800-2900fps. About 2700fps seems best, but not by much.
I am using Unique for the lower velocity and IMR-4064 or Varget for the fast ones. Want to to try H-4895 but used my funds to buy an 8 pounder of 2400.
I cull any defects and weight seperate by .1 grain, but fliers are still there. I have varied the seating depth and the next to try is some heat treating to get my hardness up.
I now have another rifle to work with as I traded my brother for older Rem 700 in the same caliber. I was really excited about this because the one time we went and shot it together the biggest group was 5/8" with Federal factory fodder. Unfortunately my brother has a phobia about cleaning rods and there is some lovely pitting in the bore. I went ahead and shot some of the 55 gr at 2700fps, it didn't lead and groups were around 2". The 37gr didn't do as well because the throat is longer and I couldn't seat the boolit into the rifling. I will work on it some more and see how it goes.
.22 does seem to require more work, but it isn't too bad.
I am using Unique for the lower velocity and IMR-4064 or Varget for the fast ones. Want to to try H-4895 but used my funds to buy an 8 pounder of 2400.
I cull any defects and weight seperate by .1 grain, but fliers are still there. I have varied the seating depth and the next to try is some heat treating to get my hardness up.
I now have another rifle to work with as I traded my brother for older Rem 700 in the same caliber. I was really excited about this because the one time we went and shot it together the biggest group was 5/8" with Federal factory fodder. Unfortunately my brother has a phobia about cleaning rods and there is some lovely pitting in the bore. I went ahead and shot some of the 55 gr at 2700fps, it didn't lead and groups were around 2". The 37gr didn't do as well because the throat is longer and I couldn't seat the boolit into the rifling. I will work on it some more and see how it goes.
.22 does seem to require more work, but it isn't too bad.