Suggestions for 357/38 92.

[Tom]

We have a couple of those .357 Rossi's around here. When we shot cowboy we shot black. A compressed case of good 3fg under that old Lyman 358430(?) 195 grain round nose knocked those cowboy cutouts just silly. I liked the 66 and 73 but Sue was really fond of her Rossi. It was our only anachronism, a 1892 for our otherwise 1876 personnas. No one else seemed to notice from their golf carts and Kawasaki Mules. Bleh!

A little time travel never hurt anyone.

 

[Tom]

I forgot, I also have a 1/2-3/4 lb of 4227.

 

[fiver]

that's too much.

stick with the unique or universal.
I got most of a 5 gallon bucket of the Lyman 358665 on top of Herco in starline 357 cases.
it's just about all the little Rossi will ever see [except for the half jackets I got loaded in the same manner]
that load is loud in the revolvers, but more of a kachew in the lever rifle.

 

[Tom]

that's too much.

stick with the unique or universal.
I got most of a 5 gallon bucket of the Lyman 358665 on top of Herco in starline 357 cases.
it's just about all the little Rossi will ever see [except for the half jackets I got loaded in the same manner]
that load is loud in the revolvers, but more of a kachew in the lever rifle.

Dang, you reminded me. I've got some herco, too.

 

[fiver]

the 357 in a lever rifle is a good place for it. [perfect if you just want maybe 1400 fps. and a load that's real close to your sights with just enough change to click one step up for @ every 50yds]
the 44 mag. is also no slouch with Herco.
the recoil is nice too.
it's a grossly overlooked powder now that they got like 5 new ones that do the exact same thing only with a fancy label.

 

[RicinYakima]

Yep 1400 f/s will keep you supersonic at 75 yards with the 357156, is low in muzzle blast and noise and very effective.

 

[CZ93X62]

Herco is a GREAT POWDER.

The 357 Magnum lever rifle is a wonderful invention. Mine is a Henry Big Boy (steel), and I have always thought the 357 Magnum really comes into its own as a hunting caliber once the bullet weights exceed 165-170 grains.

 

[Jeff H]

the 357 in a lever rifle is a good place for it. [perfect if you just want maybe 1400 fps. and a load that's real close to your sights with just enough change to click one step up for @ every 50yds]
the 44 mag. is also no slouch with Herco.
the recoil is nice too.
it's a grossly overlooked powder now that they got like 5 new ones that do the exact same thing only with a fancy label.

Herco is good stuff in the 357 and 44 Special.

 

[Tom]

Question about quickload vs book loads.
With a 176 gr tl seated .358 deep, ql says 33k psi and 1440 fps. The book references I see for similar weight cast stop around 6.5 grs and 1320 fps for a carbine.
Saami says max pressure about 35000 psi, but cip says much higher pressure, iirc, about 45k.

 

[fiver]

cip? like the european outfit?
or CUP the old measuring system.

anyway the european measurement is always higher, they usually allow a much more liberal MAP, and in the case of the 357 they are following the older higher pressures the round used to be loaded to.

 

[Tom]

cip? like the european outfit?
or CUP the old measuring system.

anyway the european measurement is always higher, they usually allow a much more liberal MAP, and in the case of the 357 they are following the older higher pressures the round used to be loaded to.

Yeah, cip. I looked it up and found out it was like the rest of the world's version of saami.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

No Rossi 357 here. (Mine are 45 Colt) But I have a Marlin 1894 in 357 that Im proud of!

 

[JonB]

No Rossi 357 here. (Mine are 45 Colt) But I have a Marlin 1894 in 357 that Im proud of!

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Oh that's sweet. I had to quote your post, just so I could see it a second time

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Its a early gun. Barrel Only says 1894 357 Mag.

 

[Rockydoc]

RDO 190s worked with some finessing on the carrier (lifter) but 200 grain SAECOs went fully sideways through the target at something like (it was close) 20 yards.

The Rossi "92 clone has 1 turn in 30 inches rifling. The Winchester '92 has 1 in 18.25" twist.
I don't think you could get enough velocity in that Rossi barrel to stabilize a 200gr bullet.

I get good accuracy in my Win '92 with a Hunters Supply 190gr WFN and 4.6gr Bullseye @ 1080fps. This is a load suggested by Ed Harris.

 

[Winelover]

A 200 grain bullet is nowhere the nominal size for 357 Magnum. Nor is it necessary. Want/need a bigger bullet, move up in caliber.

My 357 Rossi has no trouble with stabilization up to 180 grains. Don't own or want need heavier.



I found that my 357 Rossi, like my 44 caliber 1894 Marlin, prefers fat bullets. I size them at .360 on a Star. Lubed with Carnuba Red.

Not everything you read on the internet is gospel.

 

[RicinYakima]

For me, I went to the 200 grain in the 357 for a specific purpose; keeping the coyotes, cougars and wolves out of my friend's lambing pens in winter. The load had to be quite or the ewes would go nuts and drop lambs and not take care of them. The 200 grainers with 5 grains of Bullseye at 1050 f/s is a good vermin load. It would also be a good whitetail load in the suburban interface.

 

[Rockydoc]

No Rossi 357 here. (Mine are 45 Colt) But I have a Marlin 1894 in 357 that Im proud of!

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I don’t blame you for being proud of that one. Is that wood original or custom?

 

[L Ross]

I got a couple of Rossi faux 92 carbines. We used to shoot the 3584430 195 grainers out of .38 spl. cases with 21 grains of 3fg BP and they always seems to stabilize. Maybe we just never shot them far enough to detect a problem.

 

[fiver]

that and taurus changed the twist rate of the 357 and 44 barrels when they took over Rossi.
many of the 35's won't shoot over 125 well and many of the new 44's got the 44-40 twist rate like marlin did when they ended up at remington.