Two-Step Triggers on New Rifles??

[yodogsandman]

Why are all the new, starter rifles sporting two-step triggers similar to the Accu-trigger? The rifle prices are alluring but, being used to fine triggers, I'm turned off by them. Why a two-step trigger at all?

Looking at the Savage Axis last week and checked the Timney trigger website, found that they make a replacement trigger for them. No luck on the Remington 783, though they do list a Timney for the model 785. Can't tell if it's compatible.

 

[Brad]

I think some of it may be a lawyer related thing. Companies are far more concerned with preventing lawsuits than with shooting small groups.

 

[Ben]

I'm with Brad,

You can bet that if Lawyers had no intervened, we'd still have decent adjustable trigger on bolt action rifles.

Ben

 

[RicinYakima]

If you look at CBA matches, the Savage trigger doesn't seem to be stopping them from setting new records every year. I suppose that because I have been shooting two stage military triggers all my life, that it doesn't bother me. If you grew up with old Winchester Model 70's, I can see why folks complain; it is a different feel.

 

[freebullet]

I'm a bit picky about triggers. Short, crisp, clean, & light is how I prefer them. Props to those who can shoot really well with anything else, it's just not for me.

You might check out jard. Their adjustable triggers are top notch imo. Very nice folks to deal with. They run a farm over in Iowa and hunt/shoot, very helpful. In fact I really need one more.

 

[35 shooter]

I'm a bit picky about triggers. Short, crisp, clean, & light is how I prefer them. Props to those who can shoot really well with anything else, it's just not for me.

You might check out jard. Their adjustable triggers are top notch imo. Very nice folks to deal with. They run a farm over in Iowa and hunt/shoot, very helpful. In fact I really need one more.

That's the way i like them too. Just a little finger pressure and break like glass...i need all the help i can get from a really good trigger.

I can get by with a 2 stage, but they've never felt right to me.

 

[Pistolero]

Savage's Accutrigger is a really good one, IMO. The wife has a .270 which easily adjusted
to 2 lbs, perfectly crisp, very nice, and safe trigger.

 

[Bret4207]

A 2 stage trigger shouldn't stop anyone from purchasing a rifle. Maybe it's decades of shooting mil-surps, but I can't think of anything easier to get used to.

 

[Ian]

The only rifle that doesn't feel better to me with a two-stage trigger is an AR-15. They don't feel right, period. If I could figure out how to put a two stage trigger on all of my leverguns I would, in a heartbeat. Paul Mauser got a lot of things right, so did John Garand. I love my Savage Accutriggers, never have messed with one other than to adjust overtravel and pull weight, never needed to.

 

[Pistolero]

Ian,
If you look hard for best price, you can get a Rock River drop in trigger (trigger-sear and hammer) and install
in any AR. Great two stage trigger, crisp 4-4.5 lb, used to be $85, list is $125 now, but I have
found them for $99. Great upgrade, complete redesign of the hammer/sear interface and parts
are wire EDMed out of tool steel, just excellent in every way. Highly recommended. Design of
hammer/sear interface is more like a Garand than the AR stock setup, WAY better.

 

[JWFilips]

When I started shooting Mil Surps I had no problems adapting to the 2 stage trigger. Seemed to come very natural to me I think the one on my GEW98 is excellent for shooting receiver sights.
All my scoped rifles have fine single stage triggers and I can easily jump back & fourth Maybe it is because of the two types of sighting systems?

Now I do have a sporterized JP Sauer & Son 98 Mauser that is scoped and has the original 2 stage trigger but I don't shoot that much because the barrel is very worn ( to .33 cal) but it is the rifle that got me hooked on mausers
& thinking back I don't believe that I had a problem with the trigger

 

[KHornet]

I pretty much agree with JWF, as I shoot a lot of milsurps as issued, and have learned to adjust accordingly.

 

[Ian]

Ian,
If you look hard for best price, you can get a Rock River drop in trigger (trigger-sear and hammer) and install
in any AR. Great two stage trigger, crisp 4-4.5 lb, used to be $85, list is $125 now, but I have
found them for $99. Great upgrade, complete redesign of the hammer/sear interface and parts
are wire EDMed out of tool steel, just excellent in every way. Highly recommended. Design of
hammer/sear interface is more like a Garand than the AR stock setup, WAY better.

I'm absolutely going to check that out, thank you! I always thought a hook-type hammer made a lot more sense than the short-throw notch. I don't like all the stress the standard design puts on the pins and the pressure it puts on the hammer/trigger, making it prone to be gritty and have a hard pull. I've seen similar designs to what you're talking about, but mostly in modular units that start at $300. All my ARs except my A2 Colt have plastic lowers, so pin-hole wear and flex in the receiver slabs contributes to a mushy feel of a "mil spec" FCG. I'm not sold on the two-stage part for an AR, but I'll try anything once.

 

[Pistolero]

I will bet money you will love it. Way better than stock AR. I have multiple
installations.

I just found this online, and the price is really great, so I ordered another one.
Never used this company before, but this is a great price.

http://www.righttobear.com/Rock-River-2-stage-trigger-p/ar0093nmk.htm

 

[Brad]

I have a reworked Rock River trigger. It is an absolutely wonderful 2 stage trigger. Mine was worked over by one of the top AR smiths for HP competition. Sadly he stopped doing them.
Having most of the weight taken up in the first stage and a light, very crisp second stage is awesome. Very good for shooting small groups.

 

[Pistolero]

Just out of the box they are a big improvement on the AR trigger system. The
amazing thing is that there is NOTHING done to the contact locations of the hammer
and sear, just the as-EDMed surface. I have never even bothered to sit down and
polish the surfaces, for my purposes, 4 lbs crisp in an AR is just fine.

I have no doubt that you can improve it with some careful polishing.

 

[yodogsandman]

The Remington 783 has a "Crossfire" adjustable trigger and it's not too bad. I just couldn't resist the demo models for 169.99 so, took home a .270 win. They also had 30-06, 308 and 7mm mag's. The demos were sold as second hand even though they hadn't been fired. Prices ranged from 169.99 to 249.99 with a scope mounted. All regional demos are sold at this LGS.

I think they'll ship to your FFL.
http://www.ktpguns.com/

 

[smokeywolf]

Near as I can recall, I've never pulled a 2 stage trigger. Understand what they are and the perceived benefit. For accuracy work, I've always used the set triggers on the Winchesters.

 

[quicksylver]

Last time I was there was a year ago, they had hundreds of guns but no components and very little ammo.
Still a great candy store.

 

[yodogsandman]

They have a pretty good selection of powders and primers, now. Premium prices still, though.

I think that center blade on the trigger is so you can walk around hunting or such without the safety on. You can also just rest your finger right on the trigger blade for faster first shots. The gun won't fire unless the center trigger blade is fully depressed. Just the same reason for having a two stage trigger on a military rifle.