What Did You Shoot Today?

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Don't use my nines for competition. Strictly, out of the box defensive pistols. My first nine was the Browning HP. Learned about the deficiencies of the design. Main pet peeve is the lack of ambi safety on Browning's original designs. Terrible trigger until you remove the magazine disconnect. Dislike cocked and locked on a defensive pistol. The improvements mentioned are not style related. HP was the last centerfire SA auto I ever purchased. The other five are all DAO. Clean sides, without manual safeties or obtrusive slide releases. Operate just like a revolver, but with more capacity, per physical size.
 

Ian

Notorious member
So basically you just prefer DAO autos without manual safeties, not that those features make them inherently or objectively better or safer than JMB's original designs. Nobody ever improved the perceived deficiencies of a Glock, MP, XD, Beretta, or the famous perfect Smith & Wesson DA revolver, either.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Pretty much. Ian, as southpaw, you should appreciate the lack of safeties on DAO pistols. The right handed world still dominates much of the semi auto market.
 

Ian

Notorious member
True, an ambi safety is important for me, but objectively most people are right handed so that doesn't detract much from the design of the 1911 or BHP and I practiced enough weak side that in a pinch it doesn't matter. I prefer the lack of safeties on single action revolvers. Haven't met a DA trigger yet (including many examples of expensive Apex triggers) that I liked more than even a bad SA trigger, but that's just my personal preference.

I think the perfect auto pistol would have the low barrel profile of the Glock, the grip angle and thin grip frame/slide of the 1911, a grip safety, an ambi thumb safety, and a self-cocking internal striker with SA-like trigger and NO hinged dingus safety thing. It would have a polymer frame and stainless slide, light rail mount, and Novak sights.
 

popper

Well-Known Member
self-cocking internal striker How do you make one that is actually safe? Put a striker block safety on the slide? One reason I got the PX40 for around the house. SA/DA with hammer block safety.
 

smokeywolf

Well-Known Member
The accurizer barrels and bushings, polishing ramps and tweeking trigger pull was done on the 1911s for the civilian market. JMB designed the 1911 for the battlefield. Don't think I'd take a 1911 into battle that had been machined and fitted to .005" tolerances.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I remember reading a deal somewhere, the guy complaining about a copper rub on the left side of the slide inside just behind the ramp . It really bothered this guy because I guess the whole gun was foot deep almost plum blue except this copper rub .
In any case a guy , may have been one of y'all , explained in great detailed minutae about how exactly that 1/8 of an inch of slide travel interaction happened during the cartridge release from the magazine .
The very short version being that it pops up , rolls to the inside of the extractor , and rebounds off the slid to get in the chamber to just about the case mouth and the slide hammers it home . It was described in such a way that it played out like this delicate ballet where a stork is running on ice and gets hit by a truck . Oh and the gun , it's going to run dirty and fail to battery if it ISN'T making that little copper teardrop on the slide .

I shot the XD40 a lot and the HP-9 FEG too . I shot the assorted 38 Specials probably 2x what I shot those and the Security 6 357 almost as much . I was on quite a run with the 1917 which demonstrated in a hurry that while the 1947 M10 didn't have a bad trigger and the trigger was actually very good in the Sec 6 they both suck .

A perfect semi would have enough slide weight with it's preferred load to drag the muzzle back down to zero rise . It should have a compound grip type safety of 2 elements . I don't think DAO or single is the right answer DA/SA because as an all purpose side arm there will be times when you just don't want to pull that first shot through , dispatching a road strike that's flopping around trying to run with a broken back for example. Maybe just in a recreational use . For business odds are good you're never going to know if it is a 3# clean break single or an 8# double gravel driveway and it won't matter because any hit within 8" of where you wanted it is going to be close enough to the 3rd button .
Obviously it should be in a useful cartridge of enough. I can shoot a 445 super mag , and I'm a firm believer in if the pumps ain't working and or the brain pan is disconnected the fight ain't going to last much longer . But I also believe that if you cant poke a hole in it you should break it in as many pieces as possible. You have to do one or the other. If you can't control the arm and cartridge you cant poke a hole in it let alone break stuff .
I hate that there's no second strike in the XD .
I dislike the mag disconnect in the HP .
Decades of training make me hate the take down of the first gen Glocks , I can check it 15 times and I still wince at dropping the hammer to remove the slide .
Slide bite ....... thankfully that has been all but completely designed away .

Give me long enough I'm sure we can mod away every inconvenience . Then it will only take 15-20 yr of every horror on the planet to prove it's at least as reliable as GI box stock M9/92/96 , P35 , or 1911 . Probably nearly that long to perfect it's elegance.

With JMB in mind .......
He used a treddle drill press and lathe until 1900 unless he was working for Colt or Win .
When he went to trials with the 1918 there was 1 rifle . No spares , no spare parts , what he walked in the door with was it . Today we would call that a lot of things but I don't think smart would be on the list . It worked out. He built it on the treddle machines with files and a charcoal horse shoe forge ........

I think we take .0005 as and O/U slop dimension far too much for granted.
 

Ian

Notorious member
The XD is a brick too, sits higher than a 1911, and the backstrap checkering makes the web of my hand into hamburger.

The CZ-75 is a great pistol, so is the 220, but no improvement over the 1911 for my purposes.
 

oscarflytyer

Well-Known Member
LOVE the CZ. Wish I still had the orig/"1st gen" that was available in the US (at least in Germany when I was stationed there in '86-'89)
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I think we take .0005 as and O/U slop dimension far too much for granted.
I think you are right on this one. I have a twice GI rebuilt 1916 Colt 1911, that had one civilian go through with new barrel, springs and Tyler (sp?)group gripper. It shoots GI ball into three inches at 25 yards and 200 grains lead SWCs into two and half. You think you need more than that sitting in the dark in a foxhole or trench?
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
I like the XD Model 2...............no issues with abrasion from the back strap. I passed on the S&W model 2 because of the aggressive stippling, which was one of the improvements. Not a pocket piece. More like a compact.

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The CT RailMaster laser was free from a previous purchase.

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Photo of a Kahr CM9 overlaid on top of the XD.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I buddy of mine bought a Kahr 40 to try out. Neat little pistol but hard to hang on to as a .40 with only two fingers on the grip...and very top-heavy. He sold it after a while and bought a compact Glock 9mm double-stack.

Looking through the SA website I see a DS 1911 in 9mm only, the Hellcat in 9mm only, 1911s, and the XD and XD-S. The only XD-S listed in .45ACP is the compact version.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
I buddy of mine bought a Kahr 40 to try out. Neat little pistol but hard to hang on to as a .40 with only two fingers on the grip...and very top-heavy. He sold it after a while and bought a compact Glock 9mm double-stack.

Looking through the SA website I see a DS 1911 in 9mm only, the Hellcat in 9mm only, 1911s, and the XD and XD-S. The only XD-S listed in .45ACP is the compact version.
They have extended magazines for the Kahr's. I have both versions. However, I prefer the Pearce grip extension on the standard smaller mag. I just carry the extended one in my pocket for a reload.
 
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Snakeoil

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Today was our Vermont Match. Hardly any wind. Low shooter count as we suspect some are still worried about COVID since we lost a half dozen shooter to COVID a couple weeks ago.

But this post was not about that match as much as about my partner's .32-40 loads. He found 8 lbs of IMR PB on his powder shelf and decided to try it. In practice he got better groups than he had with 2400. But today, he had some issues and I told him I'd run some numbers for him in GRT if he wanted. He handed me a loaded cartridge and told me to have fun.

Turns out that PB is not in the GRT powder database, probably because they stopped making it a while ago. So I used the powder just before it on the burn rate chart and just after. That turned out to be Accurate Solo 1250 (before) and Vihtavuori N320 (after). I know that the burn rate is only one aspect of a powder. But for this exercise, it appears to have been useful. What I found was that in both cases, pressures were in the mid 20K area while velocity was in the 1400's. Not unsafe. But not sure this is a good application for PB. I ran the same parameters for the rifle/cartridge and changed the powder to 2400. Pressure was cut about in half for the same MV.
 

Ian

Notorious member
PB isn't in my QL database either, but I loved the stuff and used a lot of it in handgun calibers many years ago until I ran out. Recently I picked up five pounds of it at a gunshow for real cheap and look forward to playing with it again.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I have a couple pounds of PB on the shelf that gets used in 45 ACP and AR a bit. I can't see that it is better, worse, or different than Bullseye or WW-231/HP-38 in that niche. It makes bullets go where the pistol gets pointed. I don't ask a lot of the faster pistol fuels.

IIRC I snagged these 2 pounds about 5 years ago in a GREAT store in Eureka, NV--Raine's Market. Their reloading section is AWESOME.
 
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