What Did You Shoot Today?

fiver

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i was a Vortex fan boy for a number of years, but they lost me.
i have a pair of their binoculars i've kind of abused and was about [] this close to sending in for repair once, but they are still super clear and clean.
i quite often have a hard time finding stuff in a scope i can clearly see through them, even ones that cost almost double what they cost.
but i've also got other stuff from them that looks like the glass is 60 years old right out of the box.
 

Tomme boy

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FINALLY got out for a little bit this AM. I had to sight in 3 scopes. The first is a new Arken 6-24-50 on my 223 Savage. This thing just shoots amazing. I put on a new Criterion ss 26" with a 1-9 tw. Took 6 shots to get it sighted in where I wanted it. Would have taken 3 but this new scope is in MILs and I am not fluent in MILs.

Then I got the Marlin model 60 i picked up before Christmas. It looked brand new and for $150 I could not pass it up. It is the wood model and the newer short version. I had to sight it in at 100yds for now. The 35 yd target stand was still sitting in about a 7 foot snow drift. I picked up a new Simmons 22mag 3x9 scope for it. It will be good enough for what I have planned. I have a couple of nephews that are getting old enough for their own guns.

The third gun was my 350 Legend. I swapped the Vortex Viper off the Savage to put on 350. Got it dead on at 100 with a MP360-200hp. Over 16gr of 2400. It shoots really well. That 16gr load is useful in almost all centerfire rounds that it is safe in.

Then I got out the new Taurus 66 357. Man this thing shoots well. There are 7 shots in there. I ALWAYS seem to drop the first shot. This was a mp359-158 bb swc over a mild Alcan AL8 charge. Shot off hand at 20yds.

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Then I got out the Charter Arms 38spec I ended up keeping from my aunt. It shot really good with a 183gr NOE gas checked bullet. Right on with the limited sights it has at 10yds. This thing has a scary single action trigger. I think I will be taking it apart to see why it is so light. DA is fine. The SA is like glass but way too light. I think her husband might have been in it.
 

popper

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Vortex RMA ready, ship it out tomorrow. Replace with Nikon 4x 223 spare. At least it's not like my Burris XLT - tough luck guy - buy another - nope..
 

todd

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Swift (back in the early 1990s) had a good scope and their warranty was a over the counter warranty. you break it, just take it to where you bought it and they will put a new one on for free. but as time goes by and the company is sold and sold and sold, Swift has cheap optics with no warranty.

Vortex and Leopold are good enuff for my money. altho i have a Weaver 2-7x Pistol scope to try out on my 10" Contender in 22 Hornet.
 

JonB

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I've had 3 Vortex riflescopes. One I never mounted, as it has a illuminated reticle which I didn't care for, but just testing it out (unmounted) I figure it'd be real good for evening hunting, I sold it to another cast bullet shooter for evening Hog hunting, he is happy with it. The other two are on rifles and I have no complaints. I must have got 3 good ones?
Side note, all three were discontinued models that were priced stupid low through online liquidator GearHog.
 

popper

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Actually wasn't Nikon clear but fine for what I use. I have a big Strike Eagle on my Henry - looks funny but works for me. Don't have to use a spotting scope or walk 100 yds + to the target. Another high power Nikon in the closet for a spare.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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My 22 Single six and my Beretta Excellisor with the 327 insert.

Still working on the sight regulation.
 
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Mitty38

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Then I got out the new Taurus 66 357. Man this thing shoots well. There are 7 shots in there.
I love my Taurus 66 .357 seven shooter. I would call it the best "budget" gun I ever purchased. Great range gun. Superb cast bullet gun
Nice factory sights.
Plus if you want to take it in the brush. That finish is rugged as all get out. I down load mine and rabbit hunt with it sometimes.
Mine shoots well with 359-158swc also.
If you have a 358- 311 mould and want to see how a round nose does in it. You aught to give it a try also.


Vortex is the only higher dollar scope I currently have. It serves well beyond what is necessary for me. Solid 1/4 MOA adjustment.
Course I live in SE Ohio. So max shots are usually 200 yards. Basically a 3x9 Tasco BSA will do. Never have use a scope past 8x. No need for me to.
Now if your at a club, where your on top a hill and they have cleared the next 3 hill sides. So you could actually shoot 500 yards. I could see a need for something better.
I have the Vortex on my Bushmaster. Because I hunt with it in low light some times. With the 4x10 and 50 mm lense glass seams to be plenty clear. Gets me where I need to go, so to speak.
 
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Tomme boy

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@Mitty38 I have a private range I shoot at. We can shoot to 1000yds easy if I stay on the property. If I go ask for the neighbors I can go past 2000yds shooting over to our place. I have tried 1500yds but I was at the max of what I could do with my 308win there. Watching the trace on a high humid sunny day is awesome.

We actually made a 4'x4' ar500 swing plate to shoot this far with our iron sighted rifles. It is amazing to see how accurate some of the old military rifles are even at that range. It was not hard to get hits with the Finn Mosins and the 98/22 Persian Mausers shooting the 198gr Greek ammo. I also made the most hits out of a Turk m38 that I had rebarreled in the original 8x57. I shot the 200gr HPBT from Sierra.
 

Mitty38

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@Mitty38 I have a private range I shoot at. We can shoot to 1000yds easy if I stay on the property. If I go ask for the neighbors I can go past 2000yds shooting over to our place. I have tried 1500yds but I was at the max of what I could do with my 308win there. Watching the trace on a high humid sunny day is awesome.

We actually made a 4'x4' ar500 swing plate to shoot this far with our iron sighted rifles. It is amazing to see how accurate some of the old military rifles are even at that range. It was not hard to get hits with the Finn Mosins and the 98/22 Persian Mausers shooting the 198gr Greek ammo. I also made the most hits out of a Turk m38 that I had rebarreled in the original 8x57. I shot the 200gr HPBT from Sierra.
I would love to shoot on a range like that.
Always wanted to stretch out an old Mauser with factory Iron sights. Just to see once. What I could, or could not do with it.
We have one long distance range down in New Philli. I think goes out to 1000 meters. But rifle, range fee and schedule, never seamed to come together for me at the same time.
The furthest I have ever shot was, if I remember right, was a 30-06 at 400 or so meters in WVA. With open sights when I was 20 something.
Pretty sure my eyes are gone beyond using open sights for any range, at this point.
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
This morning's range session was with the .357 Mag. Rossi 92/EMF Hartford and a box of the Sierra 158-grain HP and 15.0-grains of H110, instead of the usual Lee 358-158 RF and either 13.5-grains of 2400 or 6.0-grains of Bullseye. A range regular was eyeballing the rifle and I asked if he'd like to shoot it. He said he'd like to shoot one round and did. He's been waiting for me to show up with the .38 Special Uberti 1866.
 

Mitty38

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Mitty
isn't Alliance Rile Club around the corner from you in Malvern
1000yds with pulldown targets
Have to check that out. Never heard of it. But Alliance is about 18 -30 miles depending on where you are going. So doable.
One thing that hurts me now is the 12hr swing type shift I am on. The darn mandatory ot that gets enforced at the wrong times. And Time restraints with my wife's care and all, kinda prevent me from joining another club right now.
 
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Snakeoil

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Today was humility day at Wilton. It was our standard BPCR match with Rams set at 500 yds. I shot my High Wall in .32-40, breech-seated. The conditions appeared to be great. Blue skies, very little wind (or so it appeared) but something was going on for sure. I missed 2 chickens and 1 pig. Pigs should never be missed. I truly struggled. Every so often the wind flags would just drop as the wind died and I would put a round damn near dead center in the target. Turkeys were almost comical. I had about a 2 inch group at 400 yds... all in the dirt, just above the back of the turkey. I'll bet I put 4 rounds into that group. I did manage to put 5 on the animal.

Oh well, a little humility is good for the soul. My shooting partner beat me by 1 target. He shot a 30. The killer was he was shooting iron sights. But that big 335 gr bullet in his .38-55 bucked the wind much better than my stubby little 180 grainer. Still had fun.

Made a new batch of meat sauce on Tuesday and we had hot dogs at the club today. They went thru 40 dogs like they just snuck over the border. ;)
 

Snakeoil

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Wed is practice or just plain fun day at Wilton. We normally start at Charlie's Gun Shop for a good BS session and then head to the club for lunch. I brought my 541S Rem .22 to practice some offhand shooting, which has become very rusty. My shooting partner Steve was there with his brand new right knee (replaced on Jan 2nd). He's happy as a clam with no more knee pain. Of course at 87, it just means that his back pain is now more obvious to him.

Anyway, he's got his Meacham High Wall that he had Jimmy Hart rebarrel in .30-30 2 years ago. Steve has struggled to get the rifle to shoot. Only time he got it shooting well was when Craig, another top shooter, gave him a handful of bullets he'd cast (SAECO 315 out of an NOE mold). These are GC bullets. Steve loaded them up and he was shooting some amazing groups at extended yardages. So, Steve called Redding and ordered a brand new mold. That was the only time that the rifle shot well.

So today he's loaded up a bunch of round and I sat down to spot with him after I was done plinking offhand. He could not get a group. Hell, he could not get a bunch, let alone a group. He would drill the pig dead center at 300 yds and put the next one a foot over the pig. They he'd put one low. Wind was blowing left to right pretty good. But it was pretty steady and rarely did his windage move more than a few inches. Same on Turkeys, except the high and low shots were worse. His bullets looked a tad deformed. We have talked before about him using too much force with his lubrisizer. The nose of the 315 SAECO is a straight, truncated cone. The ends of Steves bullets were all slightly deformed so that the meplat was a different diameter on almost every bullet. So, we knew there was a problem there. He gave up since he was just buring up powder and primers and I told him I'd drop by his house on my way home.

When I got there I started looking at bullets that were not yet sized. They looked great. I'd be very happy with the bullets I saw. So, then I looked at the nose punch he was using. He was using the punch for his 314299 bullet which has an ogive surface for the nose. That deformation causing the varied meplat diameter was the punch swaging down the nose, each one a little differently. Okay, easy fix. Dug thru his punches and found one with a flat that was a tad larger than the meplat on the bullet. Put one thru the sizer, came out perfect. So, then it was time to put on a GC and see how much force was required to size a bullet. Grabbed a GC and no-go. Not even close. Put the digital calipers on the GC base of the bullet and it measures about 0.294-0.295 inch. Measure the ID of a GC, it's in the 0.278-0.280 inch range. Hmmm. Think I found your problem, Steve. So, I ask him for a his bullet puller to pull one of the bullets he did not shoot today. As I'm setting it up, he says, "The checks normally stick in the case.". Okay, I can that happening maybe occasionally, but not regularly. They should be crimped on the base of the bullet. I pull the bullet and sure enough GC stays in the case. I look at the bullet and the GC was on maybe 1/64" at most. Houston, I think we have a problem.

His mold is dropping bullets with a huge GC section. The rest of the bullet measures fine, maybe a thou or two bigger than what you'd expect for a .30 cal, but certainly not 0.010-0.015 too big. My guess is all he bullets were like this. He's been squashing the GCs or barely getting them on the bullet and Heaven knows what the GC does when the round is fired. So, I suspect perform as they should and that explains him being able to put two rounds on top of each other at 300 yds. But others do not, maybe tumble down the bore behind the bullet while the hot gasses cut the base to pieces and we get our enormous vertical variations.

So, I told him to load up some ammo using the 200 gr bullet he uses in his Springfield. That's the 314299. Put a GC on it, size it, lube it and load it. Make maybe 25 round and we will start at 300 or 400 and if they shoot like I think they will, the problem has been solved. I also told him to call Redding and bitch about the mold. I suspect that they will stand behind it. He can give them the numbers we measured for the GC base on the bullet.

As I was leaving, Steve was very relieved. He's a very gracious man and was thanking me up and down. He admitted that he was starting to think that he was losing it as a shooter. But, he does damn well with his .32-40 and .22 rifles so I knew it was not him. But we all know how you can start to have doubts when things seem to fall apart for no reason. I was happy to have found these issues. He'll probably kick my butt next Sunday in the .22 match. But that's okay. That'll make me happy, too.
 

Rushcreek

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I gave a buddy some Lee 458-340 gr bullets with LLA and some Unique for his new Henry 45-70.
He showed up yesterday and his loads kicked hard….and shot poorly.
He went well past trapdoor loads with 4198- like 1800 fps level.
Last night he learned of lead removal
I reminded him of the Unique.