smokeywolf
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Looks more like something you would use to plug a hole rather than make one.
30 WCF
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quicksylver
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There you go !
Done a LOT of target shooting with my 30-30's
The Loverines were made for that cal., but I have taken about 6 deer with 18 grs of 4198, COWW 311041's
through proxy.
The people I loaded for had their doubts, but are true believers now.
Especially when the accuracy is vastly improved with cast.
Only downside to using a lever 30-30 for hunting is full length sizing.
Done a LOT of target shooting with my 30-30's
The Loverines were made for that cal., but I have taken about 6 deer with 18 grs of 4198, COWW 311041's
through proxy.
The people I loaded for had their doubts, but are true believers now.
Especially when the accuracy is vastly improved with cast.
Only downside to using a lever 30-30 for hunting is full length sizing.
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freebullet
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I've been wondering how heavy a boolit it would take in a 30/30 to make the top speed around 12-1400fps. ????
Getting full power with a plain base being my interest in such. Seems that long neck could be helpful to do so.
Getting full power with a plain base being my interest in such. Seems that long neck could be helpful to do so.
quicksylver
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What type of action are you using.
Do you want to single feed or feed through the action.
Do you want to single feed or feed through the action.
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freebullet
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Mines a lever. I'd prefer it feed.
Josh
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Try the 311331
JWFilips
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Now You guys have me thinking! I have been playing with sizing down some big 8mm bad boys near 30-30 specs
I'm going to give them a try in the old girl (1970's Marlin 336). Not sure how she will like a 230 grain plain base But Now We shall see!
But I will be shooting it real light! maybe 1100 fps
I'm going to give them a try in the old girl (1970's Marlin 336). Not sure how she will like a 230 grain plain base But Now We shall see!
But I will be shooting it real light! maybe 1100 fps
quicksylver
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I would have to check out the specs but maybe something like Noe 311195 FN.
Could not find it on his site right now so I am not sure how it would fit the throat/lead,but it has enough body to hide it in the case neck.
Maybe some here will chime in.
Could not find it on his site right now so I am not sure how it would fit the throat/lead,but it has enough body to hide it in the case neck.
Maybe some here will chime in.
yodogsandman
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freebullet
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I was wondering about using a 250 gr blackout style plain base. Noe has one around 247. Could be interesting.
quicksylver
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Too much nose, maybe?
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freebullet
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Yeah, I'm not sure till I get some to try. It might could work. Not any info about it that I could find.
quicksylver
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The neck on a 30 30 should be .489.
The body of the NOE 311 195 FN is .530 to the top of the crimp grouve, with a .300 nose,numbers sound almost perfect.
Haven't checked the 247 yet.
The body of the NOE 311 195 FN is .530 to the top of the crimp grouve, with a .300 nose,numbers sound almost perfect.
Haven't checked the 247 yet.
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freebullet
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Very interesting. Not to concerned about the rainbow trajectory. More or less want to eliminate the GC while maintaining full power or as close as possible. I get lead free/cheap so I'd rather use more lead than a gc.
Sorry for the hi jack.
Sorry for the hi jack.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Not a problem.
I actually have a NOE 311-230 fp it's like the 247 but a regular GG bullet . My mould is a 2+2 .
My Strelok app says 1900 fps will keep 1k ftlb @100 yd. I stuck 3 in cases with some repacked in 1972 surplus H4831 . I suspect that they too long for the 12 twist , they might work in a 10 twist . Fortunately I have a couple of 9 twists that they will absolutely work in.
I actually have a NOE 311-230 fp it's like the 247 but a regular GG bullet . My mould is a 2+2 .
My Strelok app says 1900 fps will keep 1k ftlb @100 yd. I stuck 3 in cases with some repacked in 1972 surplus H4831 . I suspect that they too long for the 12 twist , they might work in a 10 twist . Fortunately I have a couple of 9 twists that they will absolutely work in.
JWFilips
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OK Here is the craziness! Have some plain base NOE's 326331 ( 326" 245 grain) bullets: Brought them down to .311" today for the heck of it. ( Well coated in pure lanolin)
Did a COL check and only .375" sticks out the case neck ( Now weighing 243 grain x 1.25" long) So that's a lot of Bullet below the case neck & inside the cartridge.
After seeing that I may have to rethink how to propel this monster. I'm thinking a light load of Unique would be the safest maybe 8 grains.
Do I think it will shoot Heck Yes! Do I know how low it will land...well..... Put put up a large backer board for sure
It should make for a good Hippo load out to 50 yards ( but don't see many in Northeast PA)
Jim
Did a COL check and only .375" sticks out the case neck ( Now weighing 243 grain x 1.25" long) So that's a lot of Bullet below the case neck & inside the cartridge.
After seeing that I may have to rethink how to propel this monster. I'm thinking a light load of Unique would be the safest maybe 8 grains.
Do I think it will shoot Heck Yes! Do I know how low it will land...well..... Put put up a large backer board for sure
It should make for a good Hippo load out to 50 yards ( but don't see many in Northeast PA)
Jim
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9.3X62AL
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I don't regard Greenhill Formula as an absolute. It is generally a reliable predictor of bullet behavior by length in a given twist, but it has poetic flights of fancy on occasion.
Example #1--NEI #20, .257" 100 grain cone point. Looks like an RG-4 that shrunk in the wash. At 1700 FPS, my Savage 99's 1-14" twist isn't supposed to handle it.......but it does. VERY well. Same bullet at 1500-1600 FPS from my Marlin 94 CL--same 1-14" twist--print like #4 buckshot does at similar ranges.
Example #2--NEI #6, 72 grain .224" round flatnose. Greenhill says "YES" in 1-9" 223 twist........rifles said "H--L NO" with malice aforethought from 1600-2200 FPS, cartwheeling them downrange with a delightful buzz like Africanized honey bees in the Mojave Desert. Same rifles love RCBS 22-55-SP (and NEI #4) like patriots love liberty. I just work here.
All you can do is make sure they fit well, and go to the range with them. View Greenhill like a weather forecast.......an educated guess.
Example #1--NEI #20, .257" 100 grain cone point. Looks like an RG-4 that shrunk in the wash. At 1700 FPS, my Savage 99's 1-14" twist isn't supposed to handle it.......but it does. VERY well. Same bullet at 1500-1600 FPS from my Marlin 94 CL--same 1-14" twist--print like #4 buckshot does at similar ranges.
Example #2--NEI #6, 72 grain .224" round flatnose. Greenhill says "YES" in 1-9" 223 twist........rifles said "H--L NO" with malice aforethought from 1600-2200 FPS, cartwheeling them downrange with a delightful buzz like Africanized honey bees in the Mojave Desert. Same rifles love RCBS 22-55-SP (and NEI #4) like patriots love liberty. I just work here.
All you can do is make sure they fit well, and go to the range with them. View Greenhill like a weather forecast.......an educated guess.
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