.32-40 High Wall - A new adventure begins

Snakeoil

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Thanks for the kind words. I often worry that I'm blathering on about stuff nobody cares about.

My buddy Craig thinks the 13.0 is the most promising. His point was three touching and the two touching could be due to recoil control. ES and SD numbers were excellent for that group.

And while on the subject of ES and SD, I suspect they are driven by case volume differences. I noticed significant weight differences case to case while throwing powder.
 
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Snakeoil

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Sorry about that goofy post. My phone did not seem to play well with the website last night. I just fixed it.

Went to Wilton today and threw 40 rounds at 150, 200, 300, 400, and 500 yds. The gun will shoot!! Load was 11.8 gr of 2400, which was the smallest group from yesterday's testing.

Since I already had a 100 yd zero, I started at 150. I cranked the scope up 8 minutes and hit just to the left of center on a 12 inch plate. I put several more all using a center hold. Here's the target with an MOA grid overlaid. There are 3 shots on the target. High left was the first with a clean bore. Next 2 are on top of each other. If you look at the plate, you can see that it is clocked to about 1:00 for how it actually hung by looking at the hanger that is just barely visible. So, the vertical displacement is not as much as it appears in the photo. In all the testing I've done with this rifle, the first shot thru a clean, cold bore always goes left of the following shots.

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Here is the 500 yd target. 26 inch round plate. Again with MOA gride over laid. What you see are sighters as well as corrected shots. The wind started to pick up. I made correction under the same conditions and started drilling the center. I stopped making corrections and did not hold off for the wind to see just how far the wind would push the round. It pushed it off the target at 3:00 during a strong 9 to 3 blow. You can see the hole in the dirt at about 3:30. But otherwise, with both 9 to 3 and 3 to 9 winds, I stayed on the target. I suspect we had some winds that came at an downward angle over the berm and pushed a few rounds down. Note that none were pushed much higher than the group in the middle. As you can see, that group in hte middle has a number of rounds within 1 MOA and a greater number within less than 1.5 MOA. It was the 2nd to last shot that got blown off the target at 3:00 and for the last round, that same wind continued to blow. So, I held at 9:00 on the end of the target and put the last round in the center. Needless to say, I'm very pleased with how this rifle and bullet shoot.

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I did not shoot all the rounds over the chrono. Other guys were shooting today and I did not want to be a PITA by making them rack their rifles every time I wanted to move my chono to the next target. It is sure making me want to buy a Lab Radar. I need to look at them and see if they send the numbers to your phone. I did put 11 of the 40 over the chrono. I deleted the first shot as it was thru a clean bore. ES for the remaining 10 rounds was 54 fps and SD was 17. Not outstanding numbers. But not bad either. Some of the vertical displacement might have been from those velocity differences. I should have been watching the chrono after every shot to see if a change in elevation lined up with an appropriate change in velocity. I had 5 guys watching me and asking questions, making comments, etc. Hard to stay focused when that happens. Might go back on a nice calm day when I know there won't be anyone there and get a lot more anal about what is going on. It may also be a waste of time and it is purely a conditions thing.

Let me try to give you guys an idea of what can drive conditions at Wilton and makes this range both fun and challenging.

Here is the view of the range taken earlier this year when there was snow on the ground. I put a yellow circle where that 26 inch plate is at 500 yds.
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Now let me zoom in closer to the 500 yd berm. On the left side of the range is a .22 BPCR course of fire. The yellow arrow points to the last line of target stands, which are at 300 yds. You can see the 200 yd stands in front of those and to the right. You cannot see it due to the snow, but behind those black beams are short berms. When we shoot at the 500 yd targets, we shoot over those berms. We suspect that headwinds coming over the 500 yd berm, and towards the firing line hit those .22 berms and create updraftd that push the bullets up and right or left depending on the angle of the wind. You cannot see it from the firing line and those winds have made more than one shooter go "WFT???!!!" after sending a round downrange. I keep threatening to put a flag at the 300 yd .22 BPCR berm. But so far, I haven't done it.
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Well, that's it for now. Rifle will get tested in 2 weeks at the next silhouette match.
 
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Snakeoil

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I had forgotten that we had 5 Sundays in April, so I almost brought the .22 to the centerfire silhouette match.

Brought the High Wall since it had proven itself at Wednesday's testing session. It did not let me down. There were at least 2 other .32-40's both original Winchesters like mine, only rebarreled or completely restored. Both of those shot well, too.

Conditions at the Rams was tough. Both mirage and wind were running strong and changing regularly. Those .22 berms I mentioned before really wreak havoc with calling conditions accurately.

We started on Turkeys (400 yds) and I managed to get them all. I actually thought I'd had the wind take one way off target. But when I went down to paint, there was half a bullet on the neck, which explained why impact on the berm was at least a foor or more away. Here's the target, you can see the half bullet strike on the neck. Makes the same size X on the scoresheet. With exception of that neck hit, the rest are just about within 2 MOA which made me pretty happy considering the changing conditions.

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At 200 yds, I had two distinct groups on the target, driven by the wind and mirage. I held center for every shot. I put 3 top of one another and then put 6 into another group all on top of one another. The last one was just over the group of six by about 1 inch and was purely me. I took a breath, let it out and the rifle went bang just as I was settling down. It should have been a group of 7 all on top of one another.

I'm noticing that every time I clean the rifle, I see less lead flakes on the patch. I also notice that the bore seem a little slicker with each cleaning. I'm going to avoid bore brushes unless the accuracy deteriorates.

Depending on what I need to get done this week, I may revisit the range by my house and try that 13.0 gr of 2400 load just to see. Might load 10 of 11.8 and 10 of 13. We'll see.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I have been sorting and searching my Brass stashes for the last week or so. Ran across a small bag of brand new 32/40 and a box of 40 primed Brass cases.
I have wanted a 32/40 single shot for some time. Lack of used/salvage proper 32/40 barrels ya know...

CW
 

Snakeoil

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I have been sorting and searching my Brass stashes for the last week or so. Ran across a small bag of brand new 32/40 and a box of 40 primed Brass cases.
I have wanted a 32/40 single shot for some time. Lack of used/salvage proper 32/40 barrels ya know...

CW
Well, .32-40's show up fairly regularly on the various gun auction sites. Lot's of nice old High Walls. Probably the cheapest you'll ever see one is in the $1500 range. And of course, you have to take somebody else's word for the condition of the bore.

Modern Winchester and Browning High Walls made by Miroku show up now and then. Price on them is going up, too. We have two guys at the club with those and they are tack drivers. They came with Badger barrels. I have a Browning in .38-55. They are very nice guns but I'm not a fan of the trigger assembly. Miroku redesigned the gun and the trigger was the weak point, IMHO. You can get them down to may be 2.5 lbs if you know what you are doing. But it is also easy to ruin the sear in the process and have to buy a new one. If you go much lower than 2.5 lbs, they have been know to drop the hammer when you close the action.

I've not seen nor heard any feedback on the Uberti replicas. I had a Pedersoli RB replica for about 8 hours. Trigger went away during my first firing. Sent it back to Cabelas and bought a Shiloh Sharps.

I now have a Jones for a .25-20 SS. But brass is close to impossible to find now. So, I'm probably going to shop for brass first and then if I find it, will start looking for a rifle. We have two guys at Wilton with .25-20 SS rifles. One is an original Low Wall and the other is a CPA 44-1/2. Both shoot exceptionally well. And their recoil is just a tad worse that a .22 mag.

If you ever give up on your dream of getting a .32 in a single shot, I'd be interested in your brass. But I'd rather see you find a rifle.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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Closest I came was many moons ago 1988/89. Guy was selling some Commemorative Winchesters and one was a Chief Crazy Horse and one was a John Wayne. A buddy and I went to buy both. Well it was a John Wayne Box... With a Oliver Winchester inside... My buddy bought a Nice CCH 38/55. I did not buy the OW... (They was 30/30)

CW
 

Snakeoil

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Closest I came was many moons ago 1988/89. Guy was selling some Commemorative Winchesters and one was a Chief Crazy Horse and one was a John Wayne. A buddy and I went to buy both. Well it was a John Wayne Box... With a Oliver Winchester inside... My buddy bought a Nice CCH 38/55. I did not buy the OW... (They was 30/30)

CW
But those were lever guns, right and not single shots?
 

CWLONGSHOT

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But those were lever guns, right and not single shots?
Yes, 1894's most.

When I was on that kick I was building H&R single shots. I had a 32/20 made from a SMLE Bbl. And they swapped and traded 3x for a 25 cal bbl and had a 25/35 made. Next was the 32/40 but I just couldn't find a proper 32 Bbl.

Im over it now. ;)
 

Snakeoil

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Well, at the risk of being accused of blowing my own horn, I'm happy to report that all the effort put into the .32-40 paid off. Results came out today and I won the centerfire silhouette match last Sunday with a 38/40. I wish I could say that I won the match on my first outing with the rifle, but unfortunately, that is not the case. I brought it to a match using that Lee bullet I'd been trying and the somewhat lackluster performance of that bullet was clearly demonstrated at that match.

I'm very happy to see this old girl shoot so well.
 

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Kudos, Rob. :)

Kudos, too, to Shirley's replacement at Lee Precision. ;)
 

Snakeoil

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Thanks guys. The win included beating another shooter with shooting a Tikka Tac 1 in .308 with a Vortex scope and shooting PC bullets approaching 2000 fps. Guys that shot with him said they struggled to read the conditions. Given that his round is doing about 650 fps faster than mine, I suspect that mirage bit him. And none of them have an excuse for not being able to read the conditions because I wrote a spotting guide for the club that they all have access to. I know he has it because he grabbed a hard copy the day that I dropped them off at Charlie's. And another one of the guys who who with him has it, read it and sent it to his son in the Navy.

We all have days when we struggle with the conditions. Sometimes it's just a matter of which bank you shoot at what time. We started on Turkeys, which is the hardest target. Rams was the challenge for us due to the .22 berms I've been carping about for the last few months.
 

Snakeoil

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Into July and the High Wall continues to put a smile on my face. Managed a perfect score in todays silhouette match in what was between a drizzle moments of torrential rain. At one point it was decided not to paint the targets for that relay because it was raining so hard. Only 2 of us shot perfect scores. The other was my buddy Craig with his '30 NRA Sporter and a 14X Super Targetspot.

On the turkeys at 400 yds (I should have taken a picture) I slowly walked my shot towards the middle with small scope corrections. I then managed to put 5 rounds all touching into about a 2 inch group. At 200 on chickens I had one big smear in the middle for all 10 shots that was maybe 1.5 inches. Breech seating and finding the right load and right bullet was the secret to success. I could not be happier with this rifle.