Gun show deal plus a 31-1 S&W

CZ93X62

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I am a long-time mid-caliber handgun addict. I know that I write a great deal about the serious side of sidearm carry and usage, but a significant part of my handgunning hobby involves the less serious venues like small game and varmint hunting, paper punching, and plinking. The 32 S&W Long is PERFECT for this sort of fun.

It was the 32 SWL that prompted me to take up bullet casting in 1981. I had S&W Model 31-1 x 3" that I needed to feed, and in the early 1980s 32 caliber revolver bullets were very thin on the ground. I did find one vendor that sold Lyman #313445 (IIRC)--Green Bay Bullets. I bought 300 of those, and those lasted for a couple months.

Among my first moulds was Lyman #313492, which I think is just #313445 with its SWC nose abbreviated. It certainly shoots well, I still have that tool in the shop. It has seen usage in ALL of my 32 revolvers--including 7.62 x 38R in the 1895 Nagant revolver. It is perhaps the perfect bullet for that weirdest-of-all-handgun-calibers, with its undersized front band that enables proper crimping of the bullet via the T/C sizing die for 32 SWL run in about .050" to snug up the case mouth to mate with the barrel's forcing cone before firing.

The 95-100 grain bullets of the 32 SWL have been restricted to about 725 FPS in older revolvers so chambered. I have one of those--a nickeled Colt New Police x 6" made in 1901. It gets gentle treatment--The RCBS #32-98-SWC atop 2.0 grains of WW-231 for around 700 FPS. The modern post-WWII S&W J-frames like my now-departed 31-1 and Glaciers' new-to-him revolver can safely manage that 98 grainer to 850-900 FPS.

The One That Got Away--About 10 years ago I attended a gun show in Boise, ID with some of the members of our crew here at A&SBC--some of whom have gone over The Great Divide. At one of the tables I saw a 4" Model 31-1 with a price of $475 attached. I was sorely tempted to swoop on that example, but still had kids in college that made the purchase of toy guns more luxurious than the domestic budget & policy guidelines might have borne without Castilian Inquisitions being conducted. Shoulda/woulda/coulda.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Well this morning I cast up a bunch of the LEE 315 095 and some Lyman 311 316 which will need to be powder coated to bring the diameter up.
But next I’m priming a couple hundred 32 longs Starline and 500 38 SPL Remington cases. Obviously will need to make a couple dummies for the Stevens 32 S&W long. Good suggestion Outpost.
I looked a the RCBS mold which is available but I’m not paying $125 for a 2 cavity, besides I don’t have more milk money at this time anyway so I will make what I have work.
FWIW- I have a K 32 Smith and found the Lee Soup Can of all things shot just fine in it. Quite accurately actually. If Smith did all their barrels about the same, you may fine you don't need anything "fattened up".

I'll be interested to see if that Tumble Lube design works. I won a few but I've never been super impressed with their grouping.
 

Petrol & Powder

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Well this morning I cast up a bunch of the LEE 315 095 and some Lyman 311 316 which will need to be powder coated to bring the diameter up.
But next I’m priming a couple hundred 32 longs Starline and 500 38 SPL Remington cases. Obviously will need to make a couple dummies for the Stevens 32 S&W long. Good suggestion Outpost.
I looked a the RCBS mold which is available but I’m not paying $125 for a 2 cavity, besides I don’t have more milk money at this time anyway so I will make what I have work.
My S&W 31-1 has throats that a .313" bullet will just pass through, so that's what I size to.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Looked in the Lyman #3 and found these loads from their test pistol was Smith 31.
Not in the least interested in hot loads I have other pistols for that, but thought it was curious. I was looking for loads for the 311 316 or equivalent.
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CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
With 32 H&R Mag and 327 Federal revolvers on hand--and 3 revolvers and 1 rifle in 32/20 WCF--the idea of hot rodding the 32 S&W Long never got much traction with me. The 30 Carbine Blackhawk with WW-296 at top-end loadings provides enough Donner und Blitzen for the most jaded of mid-caliber handgun addicts to enjoy.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
I am a long-time mid-caliber handgun addict. I know that I write a great deal about the serious side of sidearm carry and usage, but a significant part of my handgunning hobby involves the less serious venues like small game and varmint hunting, paper punching, and plinking. The 32 S&W Long is PERFECT for this sort of fun.

It was the 32 SWL that prompted me to take up bullet casting in 1981. I had S&W Model 31-1 x 3" that I needed to feed, and in the early 1980s 32 caliber revolver bullets were very thin on the ground. I did find one vendor that sold Lyman #313445 (IIRC)--Green Bay Bullets. I bought 300 of those, and those lasted for a couple months.

Among my first moulds was Lyman #313492, which I think is just #313445 with its SWC nose abbreviated. It certainly shoots well, I still have that tool in the shop. It has seen usage in ALL of my 32 revolvers--including 7.62 x 38R in the 1895 Nagant revolver. It is perhaps the perfect bullet for that weirdest-of-all-handgun-calibers, with its undersized front band that enables proper crimping of the bullet via the T/C sizing die for 32 SWL run in about .050" to snug up the case mouth to mate with the barrel's forcing cone before firing.

The 95-100 grain bullets of the 32 SWL have been restricted to about 725 FPS in older revolvers so chambered. I have one of those--a nickeled Colt New Police x 6" made in 1901. It gets gentle treatment--The RCBS #32-98-SWC atop 2.0 grains of WW-231 for around 700 FPS. The modern post-WWII S&W J-frames like my now-departed 31-1 and Glaciers' new-to-him revolver can safely manage that 98 grainer to 850-900 FPS.

The One That Got Away--About 10 years ago I attended a gun show in Boise, ID with some of the members of our crew here at A&SBC--some of whom have gone over The Great Divide. At one of the tables I saw a 4" Model 31-1 with a price of $475 attached. I was sorely tempted to swoop on that example, but still had kids in college that made the purchase of toy guns more luxurious than the domestic budget & policy guidelines might have borne without Castilian Inquisitions being conducted. Shoulda/woulda/coulda.
A 100 grain bullet looks about right with a ceiling of 900 fps, but more in the 800 fps range is more to my interest. Of course will have to see if it peaks the interest of the Smith 31, will have to see what the sights like.
I like 3” guns, SP101, little Smith J frame Lady Smith 357 -2”. All just drop in the pocket using one of Mika’s pocket holster. I would love to have a small frame 4” which will still fit in my pocket.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
With 32 H&R Mag and 327 Federal revolvers on hand--and 3 revolvers and 1 rifle in 32/20 WCF--the idea of hot rodding the 32 S&W Long never got much traction with me. The 30 Carbine Blackhawk with WW-296 at top-end loadings provides enough Donner und Blitzen for the most jaded of mid-caliber handgun addicts to enjoy.
Yes 100%.
I have a SP101 in 327 4” with sights. I like the pistol, I don’t like the 327. I have some 4 heavy molds from 125 up to 150 grains which I’m wanting to try in the 327, but with a top end of maybe 1000 fps. The H&R in the SP101 with sights is very pleasant and about all I’m looking for.
I look at the little 31-1 32 SPL as a fun useful pistol just as enjoyable as my little 22LR Smith 4” model 63. Useful and fun just as designed.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
The 32 S&W Long's OEM ballistics (98 grain lead bullet at 725 FPS) is plenty of oomph for small game and like sized varmints to 50 yards. The RN bullet design can leave a bit to be desired as a critter getter, though--enter the RCBS #32-98-SWC. This design is a significant upgrade for terminal effects on animated targets. My copy of this mould got here about 1984 IIRC, and I have cast thousands of bullets with it. Dozens of ground squirrels and jackrabbits have fallen to the little Colt 6" with that '2.0 x 231' recipe I spoke of above; at 900-950 FPS from the 32 Mag and 327 Federal hundreds more have been taken.

The RCBS bullet has stayed accurate for me to 1200 FPS in my guns; once past that velocity threshold Lyman #313631 comes to bat and behaves itself. The Lyman bullet has consistently refused to shoot for me until past 1100 FPS--once past the Chuck Yeager Point its groups tighten and stay that way to 1600 FPS in the Blackhawk x 30 M1C. At some point I'll try it in my 30-06 and see where and when it falls on its aspirations, but in my midbore sideiron it has been all right.
 

Ben

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Many thanks Rick,
I have a Ruger # 1 Stainless in 30-30 Win.
My grandson Trevor , shoots these into some tight groups at about 1150 FPS. Plain base, fun, cheap shooting.
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Ben
 
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Petrol & Powder

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The actual RCBS 32-98-SWC is the one the others are compared to and clearly has a great reputation. However, the RCBS comes with two drawbacks: A 2 cavity limit and relatively high cost (currently running around $140). As much as I love RCBS molds for thier high quality, that 2 cavity limit can sometimes be a deal breaker for me.

The 31-100R from Accurate Molds looks very close but will run you more money than the Arsenal. It would give you the alternative of brass/aluminum/iron with corrosponding costs depending on the material. Even the aluminum 4 cavity from Accurate will be significantly more money than the 4 cavity from Arsenal.

That NOE mold that Ben displayed looks nice but even with the HP, the resulting bullet is heavier than the RCBS/Aresenal/Accurate choices in the 98-100 grain range. Not saying it's out of the ballpark but 117.5 grains is getting a little heavy for 32 S&W Long.

For me, a mold is a One Time purchase and occasionally I will take the hit on the initial cost. However at $84 versus at least $140 would give me pause.
That Arsenal clone of the RCBS 32-98 SWC looks like a winner and a good alternative.
 
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Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
I’ve purchased 8 or more Arsenal molds and I’m happy with all of them. Find a design that Jarad makes and just specify the diameter you want and done deal. Every mold I’ve received is right on the money for diameter and weight.
He also offers brass molds as an option.
 

Ben

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Staff member
That NOE mold that Ben displayed looks nice but even with the HP, the resulting bullet is heavier than the RCBS/Aresenal/Accurate choices in the 98-100 grain range. Not saying it's out of the ballpark but 117.5 grains is getting a little heavy for 32 S&W Long.
True, the .32 Long was not my goal when I ordered the mould. The 32 H&R mag along with pedestrian speed loads in .30 cal. rifle to train my grandson was the intended purpose.
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Well just a quick update on bullet selection for the 32 S&W long. I have a LEE 314-90 and a 311-316 which fits in about the same as the 311-008. Didn’t have a 100 grain SWC style or size. NOE to the rescue. NOE has a Black Friday sale that ends Monday. So 15% off plus on select molds an additional 5% off. Add that to the 10% off for being $1000 dollar club discount and you’re bumping up against a 30% discount.
So I ordered the 315-102 SWC PB 5 cavity mold, which gives me a bullet weight and design that most here are recommending.
Ordered today so hoping by the end of the week arrival.
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Looking forward to use this one.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
"Point & Match", I would say.

Having messed about with the 30s, 32s, and the 32/20 for 40 years or so--my time has shown that the short-body calibers favor bullets from 70-100 grains, while the long-body cases (32/20 and 30 U.S. Carbine) favor 100-120 grains. The 327 Federal seems to do decently with 70-120 so far, thought the report is so obnoxious past 900 FPS I become concerned about setting off earthquakes in fault zones through sympathetic detonation. Think "M1 Carbine Blackhawk with 4" barrel", and you'll get my drift.