High Point 45 Cabine

[Finster101]

I don't have a .45, but have owned a 9mm 995 for several years now. It has eaten anything I put in the factory mags. It is very accurate with a Lee 358-105 over four grains of RedDot. Be wary of aftermarket mags. I haven't found any that work reliably, at least in 9mm.

 

[L Ross]

When my first Dept. discovered that the, "smaller" officers, wouldn't take a shotgun even on a gun call they scrambled for an alternative. Out of the mis-mash of goofy ideas can the Ruger plastic stocked carbine in .40 S&W. Which would have made some sense to me if we carried .40 S&W side arms, but we were stuck with S&W 469's in 9 m/m.

I was a Patrol Sgt. at the time and they let me carry a M-14, (fiberglass stocked), in my unmarked, so at least there was a real long gun out on the road, sometimes. Some of the other road sergeants took an 870 out when they hit the road Eventually everybody and their brother Departments went to AR-15's as squad rifles and I guess that is still where we are today.

Anyhoo, we had to qualify with that Ruger carbine and it was a fun little toy. Big, easy to use sights, light and handy, but I had a problem with the whole concept of it being a long gun but only a tiny bit more powerful that a pistol. I wanted one when they traded them in to the arms dealer, only that time the dealer would not make them available for sale to the officers. Apparently they already had a deal to sell them all. I was only marginally disappointed, because I was not and still am not set up for .40 S&W. That said, for awhile you could pick up all the brass in .40 you wanted for free because no one reloaded it.

 

[Bret4207]

Marlin made a Camp 9 and 45 back years ago.

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I remember them in 22mag, or something like it. Seems the things that should have sold like wildfire, at least IMO, often only last a couple years and disappear.

NYSP carried Win 94 30-30's forever, but they got rid of them back in the 50's I think. Would have worked fine for what we needed in the years I was there.

 

[PED1945]

Before WW2 my father was in the Border Patrol. Some parts of the border SE of Presidio Texas, where there were no roads, had to be patrolled on horseback. In those days, most of the Border Patrolmen had been raised on ranches and were familiar with the 1894 Winchester and usually carried one in addition to their regulation M1 rifles.

 

[L Ross]

You can do worse than a 92, W94, M94, or 336 in any caliber as a defensive rifle. And every one of them can be fed cast at full power for ammo. Problem is we don't train with a .30-30. We'd look good with double bandoleers and stuffing the tube with your off hand whenever the opportunity presents itself. Same as an 870 or 1187, keep it topped up.

 

[PED1945]

You can do worse than a 92, W94, M94, or 336 in any caliber as a defensive rifle. And every one of them can be fed cast at full power for ammo. Problem is we don't train with a .30-30. We'd look good with double bandoleers and stuffing the tube with your off hand whenever the opportunity presents itself. Same as an 870 or 1187, keep it topped up.

If you go for the double bandoleer look, don't forget the big sombrero.

 

[PED1945]

We have a couple Kel-Tec 2000 in 40 SW Glock mag. Once folded they will fit into a computer case, brief case and other bags.
At 50 yards they easily pop soda cans. Lots of fun and light to carry.
Very handy with a Glock model 22 along.

There was a Kel-Tek 9mm next to me at the range yesterday. They let me try it. Very easy to shoot well. I like the idea of a pistol caliber semiauto carbine.

 

[Bret4207]

M1 Carbine is a 32-20 autoloader. I swear I saw a kit for making them into a 45CP years back.

 

[Missionary]

I am amazed Kel-Tec has no 45 ACP Carbine. A 10 MM would also be fun !
I think a M1 Carbine in 45 ACP would be a dandy ! But the mag and well would be an fun issue.

 

[oscarflytyer]

actually gave an older, very small stature lady looking for alternative defense weapons this evening the option of a 92 in 38 SPC vs an AR. Showed her my Win 92 Saddle Ring in 44 WCF, how light and smooth the action was. She liked it!

 

[Bret4207]

I am amazed Kel-Tec has no 45 ACP Carbine. A 10 MM would also be fun !
I think a M1 Carbine in 45 ACP would be a dandy ! But the mag and well would be an fun issue.

You need to make some changes, that's for sure. But that's about the size and weight I think would work best. Those Ruger Carbines list at 6+ to 7+ lbs. The M1 is a bit over 5lbs and you can shave that a bit. It would be a nice rig to my way of thinking...except for chasing brass!

 

[richhodg66]

Didn't someone make M1 carbines in .357 Magnum at some point?

I have to admit to being something of a fan of the M1 carbine. It's been criticized a lot for being puny, but loaded with expanding bullets, I would feel very well armed with one for anything inside 150 yards or so.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

All I ever think of when I see these in the original Planet of the Apes movie.

If they had made these to coincide with that movie imagine how many they would have sold...

CW

 

[RicinYakima]

Didn't someone make M1 carbines in .357 Magnum at some point?

Yes, IMI made some but they were converted to pump action as they couldn't keep them together semi-auto. I seem too remember them being called the "Wolverine".

 

[Bret4207]

Ric is right. I did a little searching this AM on the subject. 357, 44 Auto Mag and 45 Win Mag were some of the options at one time. 221 Fireball and the 5.7 Spitfire or whatever it was called too. My impression was that a lot of this was back in the 80s and 90s when they were still pretty cheap, but the conversions ran quite a bit more than the rifle did.

Truthfully, if I could get one of mine to shoot the Lee Soup Can or 311316 accurately with good feeding, I think that would do pretty much everything I could really ask of it. A FN 30/31 cal bullet of 120-ish grains at 13-1500 fps, maybe even higher, is nothing to sneeze at! If I can do like I did with the 32-20 and take it up over 2100, that's right on the heels of the 7.62x39!

 

[JustJim]

IIRC, Doc Carlson up in Crawford NE did some of these: 45 acp (and 45 mag IIRC). Seems like the cost back in the late '80s was $1,200 or so on the customer's gun.

The 22 Spitfire/5.7 Spitfire was a 30 carbine case necked down to .223, one of the ideas Melvin Johnson came up with around 1963. He used it as a springboard to found Johnson Arms. I've seen a couple of conversions done by Johnson Arms, to get a 5.7 was just a matter of changing the barrel and dinking with the feed ramp.

 

[Missionary]

I saw a 5.7 at a show some years back priced at the regular Carbines. Couple years back someone had the 5.7 barrels for sale. Could have been GunParts.

 

[PED1945]

I think a M1 Carbine in 45 ACP would be a dandy !

I agree and have often wondered why the M-1 carbine was designed around a .30 caliber cartridge. While the 30 Carbine cartridge was developed from the 32 SLR, a better choice would have had a larger diameter bullet. A .35 would have been a more lethal choice without making the carbine larger, heavier or giving much more recoil. There was history with the 1905 Winchester self loading rifle in 35 SLR and 351 SLR, including it's use by the French during WW1, so a new cartridge design similar to the later 9mm Winchester Magnum would have made sense.

 

[Bret4207]

My understanding is that the Ordnance Dept specified a 30 cal cartridge. It's probably that simple!

 

[richhodg66]

I agree and have often wondered why the M-1 carbine was designed around a .30 caliber cartridge. While the 30 Carbine cartridge was developed from the 32 SLR, a better choice would have had a larger diameter bullet. A .35 would have been a more lethal choice without making the carbine larger, heavier or giving much more recoil. There was history with the 1905 Winchester self loading rifle in 35 SLR and 351 SLR, including it's use by the French during WW1, so a new cartridge design similar to the later 9mm Winchester Magnum would have made sense.

Having owned, loaded and shot both quite a bit, and been a Soldier for a lot of years, I'd take an M1 Carbine as a combat weapon over a 1907 Winchester 100% of the time without a second thought.

I suspect Bret is absolutely corect that they wanted a .308 bore size.