Ok Hooked AND Gaffed on Plain Base Bullets

quicksylver

quicksylver

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Well I guess I did not do that great a job.
Don't know why pictures doubled up on me.
But I know you guys can wade through it .
In any event the high lights are ;
1. Pistol primers seem to work better.
2. At his time it appears the BLL as a stand alone lube is giving me the best results.
3. Less neck tension is also helping.

Hope this is not a case of the blind leading the seeing!

Dan S.
 
JWFilips

JWFilips

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Quicksylver,
Very Nice thanks for posting.
In regards to Red Dot vs Universal Clays: Red dot is a much faster burning powder and the velocity would have been higher than your UC loads The newest powder charts list RD as very early on the listing then comes Bullseye
Then Universal Clays & Unique
5.5 to 6 gr Red Dot would be closer in velocity to your 7.8 Universal Load.
I have been working with it a lot as of late and it is potent and has a quick pressure rise
 
quicksylver

quicksylver

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JW.....I hear everything you are saying.
Thank you and yes RD is FAST, it is also consistent.
I was going to work my way down in my charges for RD, I guess that is working backwards.
One of my favorite loads with my 170-180 gr GC bullets is 12.7 grs RD,
the other is 13.8grs of UC.
So maybe if I keep that ratio I can find a decent RD load.
A quick calculation gives me 7.2 grs RD, considerably less than what I am using now.
I do have Bullseye and Unique and will give them a try.
If I can maintain 3/4" groups @ 100 yds with these powders, bullet and lube ,I will be one happy camper.
 
JWFilips

JWFilips

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Dan,
I just checked some of my recent notes for my 8 mm I shoot a 130 gr and a 175 grain boolit with 6 grains Bullseye very accurately I need 4 to 4.5 grains RD to duplicate impact points ( although Red Dot for me, impacts left of center on any loads I try to duplicate.
The Hodgen Burn rate chart list Red Dot at #8 spot Bullseye at #13, Unique at #31 and Universal Clays at #32 So as you can see there is a big jump between those 2 powders.
But RD shoots so darn good! especially with light loads

https://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Burn Rates - 2014-2015.pdf
 
JWFilips

JWFilips

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Ah Yes….I don't think any chart is the same! The Hodgdon shows a listing of 2014-2015 New data I would think …since they have a lot to loose if they are wrong.
All's I know is Red Dot Taps me in the shoulder harder then Bullseye per equal loading. Shoots the Boolits about 1 1/2 inches higher per equal loading and I don't hear my boolits impact like I do with Bullseye per equal loading.
So that tells me that it must be going faster per equivalent load …..at least I would think.
BUT! All this is great because if Red Dot shoots so well as I have found, I need less to do better!:)
 
JWFilips

JWFilips

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Now As to the use of LP primers: I'm very interested why do you think they shoot better? Is it because of the light loadings?
I have heard about switching primer but would like to know the science of why they work in this case?
Can anyone shed light on it?
 
quicksylver

quicksylver

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JW ...one thought I had was that they would give the bullet that bump that LR would.
This would allow the powder to do what it is suppose to.
 
JWFilips

JWFilips

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Dan,
Interesting thought……you maybe right. It could be the buffer to stabilize the shot string. I can see where a powerful primer could start the boolit in these light loads.
I somewhat remember some knowledgeable person mentioning that when a light Red Dot load is fired the large flakes burns easily, fast & cleanly due to the leaf blower effect of the primer ignition.
makes sense that a light load wouldn't need much to get it going.
 
quicksylver

quicksylver

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Second thought is that using LR primers would be like using Mag. pistol primers in a handgun load.
Slight overkill in most instances.
 
quicksylver

quicksylver

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Very nice results quicksylver. Glad to see you tried the BLL as a stand alone lube.
35......thanks for the heads up on that one.
I swore they even sounded different.
Got some more drying, ready to try again !
I will use the same rifle, cases and loads.
And I will keep you posted.
 
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quicksylver said:
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Very nice results quicksylver. Glad to see you tried the BLL as a stand alone lube.
35......thanks for the heads up on that one.
I swore they even sounded different.
Got some more drying, ready to try again !
I will use the same rifle, cases and loads.
And I will keep you posted.
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I get the same overall groups from Ben's Red or Ben's Red with an overcoat of BLL or using BLL as a stand alone, but.....i've noticed a definite tendency for more shots cloverleafed in a group with BLL as a stand alone.
Also, more cloverleafed groups period. It caught my attention because i don't weigh bullets anymore, just visual sort through them and shoot. Maybe i was concentrating on the shooting more because i was trying a new lube?

Lol i think my old rifle just likes anything that says Ben's on the lube! Seriously though i'm getting spoiled with the BLL. Just too quick and easy to use.
 
JWFilips

JWFilips

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Guys,
what do you think those "BLL only", good loads of yours are clocking in at?

I use BLL only (2 coats) form my subsonic shooting but as i watched beens threads with his plain bases i always see Ben's Red in the lube grooves with BLL overcoat. So i have been doing the same! it would be great to shoot the Plain Base boolits with BLL only. Just not sure how fast they can go
 
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I'm shooting plain base at 1275 fps. in the 35 whelen. I've shot faster loads, but 1275 fps was best in the accuracy dept. for me. I've shot gc's up to 2500 fps with BLL and no leading, but of course they had 3 coats on the bullets.
 
quicksylver

quicksylver

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I plan on bringing my chrony next trip, primarily to check the velocity difference between the red dot and universal.
 
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