Ok, What's wrong with Lyman moulds?

Ian

Notorious member
Unfortunately, a couple of the most
recent purchases, 311299 and 314299 are sitting there brand new on the shelf, I think laughing at me
for spending money and not casting with them for at least a year and a half. When I do get around
to using them, I will report. They LOOK fine.

I bought a 311299 late last year because I felt like throwing away $75. It cast .296 x .298 on the nose and .305 x .307 on the bands, and that was the bigger cavity. The holes are bored so far off to one side that it takes a steel hammer to eject the bullets from the right hand block. It's so far out of whack that I don't think it can be lapped back to correct and centered. Hope you have better luck.
 
L

Lost Dog

Guest
Sorry to hear that. Couple years ago my brother was having trouble with his .45-70 rolling block. Sent him my old and trusted Ideal 457124 mould and his problems were gone. At the time I had a Lee 340gr mould and their 405HB mould. The 340 fell apart and the hollow base bit the dust soon after.

Ordered a new Lyman 457124 mould off Amazon and it was, and is, perfect. Tossed the less than functional ones in the trash. As a very wise man from China said long ago about things in life "Take that which serves. Discard that which does not.". I've often applied that simple system to many things. If the new Lyman mould failed to cast and function correctly, it too would find itself in the trash. Sure, anything built by man can fail or be faulty. Ain't nuthin perfect. ;)
 

quicksylver

Well-Known Member
I bought a 311299 late last year because I felt like throwing away $75. It cast .296 x .298 on the nose and .305 x .307 on the bands, and that was the bigger cavity. The holes are bored so far off to one side that it takes a steel hammer to eject the bullets from the right hand block. It's so far out of whack that I don't think it can be lapped back to correct and centered. Hope you have better luck.

Ian...When I got my 311332 it was about the same quality.

What I did to cure about 87% of the problems it had was to punch the pins out further so they could better align the blocks.

The noses on the pins are so pointed that if they don't stick out far enough none of the straight part of the pin is in the guide hole,
this allows the blocks to close out of alignment.

Give it a try ,you have ( like me nothing to loose)...:mad:
 

Ian

Notorious member
I've worked over defective junk Lyman moulds six ways from Sunday. All of the alignment pins I've seen on the 2c blocks are domed and usually set about right from the factory. The only real problem with the moulds is the way they're bored, which is not square, not deep enough in the blocks (operator not clearing chips), worn out cherries, and worn out or mis-adjusted double-acting boring vise ways which allow the blocks to slide in opposite directions, causing misalignment of the cavity halves. The pins and outside dimensions of the blocks have been pretty near perfect on every new Lyman mould I've bought.

I have two 457124 moulds that are utter garbage. The newer one MIGHT make .455 on the fat side with 20:1 alloy. The older one has the cavities so misaligned that the pin holes would have to be re-drilled to fix it. I also have the 505 grain round nose bullet and that is a good mould AFTER I moved the alignment holes over over about 1/3 of their diameter by filing one side and peening the other. I'm SO done with Lyman's sorry junk. I even ordered a 311679 a couple years ago from Optics Planet (of all places!) hoping to break the jinx or escape the note on Lyman's mailroom wall that reads "send all our junk rejects to Ian", but to no avail, had to spend half a day lapping and fixing the alignment issues on it, too. It's nose was .301 x .297, body was .310x.306 because, once again, the cavities weren't cut to full depth in the block faces even though that cherry was in good shape.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
The only small mould I have is 7mm-168 SIL RCBS the band's are ok but the bore ride is only .275 , paper will make it work in an 08' SR Mauser I have .

I have just 2 moulds that I would toss rather than sell mostly because I jacked them up. With all of the precision machinists that do the job so much better than the production mill can I'm surprised you guys aren't buying up the garbage and making faithful Keith or H&G copies or BO bullets that will deliver. 500 plus BC and work sub and super for all your forummates