Really need LPP's Anybody been watching the availability ?
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Nieces husband out in Montana hit up a large estate sale and picked up 2500 Fiocchi LPP for me. Cost me $150. They're coming down for Christmas so I'll see how they work. I've never seen Fiocchi LPP primers, don't know if they're oversize like their 209 shotgun primers or not.
Paul Gauthier
Active Member
I have used fiocchi in the past. they were just fine.
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
I'll make my own black powder and dig up a flint before I pay $86/K for primers.
Extortion only works when someone is willing to pay the person demanding the extortion.
Extortion only works when someone is willing to pay the person demanding the extortion.
Ian
Notorious member
Lumber is suddenly back to within 10-15% of what it was at the beginning of the year. Free markets always correct in time.
Consumers will tolerate a certain permanent price increase after each round, how much is again determined by the consumers. Doesn't anyone remember 16 months ago when bricks of primers had come down to $26 and Winchester was offering big rebates on 5K lots because the product wasn't moving? The market tolerated the price settling at double from the last shortage for more than five years, then the glut finally hit and so prices came down again.
I remember paying $40 cash for a second-hand brick of CCI 300s in about 2009 so my dad and I could keep shooting our cowboy revolvers. Memories are priceless, even at nearly triple the previous going rate. I wasn't caught short again.
Consumers will tolerate a certain permanent price increase after each round, how much is again determined by the consumers. Doesn't anyone remember 16 months ago when bricks of primers had come down to $26 and Winchester was offering big rebates on 5K lots because the product wasn't moving? The market tolerated the price settling at double from the last shortage for more than five years, then the glut finally hit and so prices came down again.
I remember paying $40 cash for a second-hand brick of CCI 300s in about 2009 so my dad and I could keep shooting our cowboy revolvers. Memories are priceless, even at nearly triple the previous going rate. I wasn't caught short again.
I actually remember paying $24/k for CCI SPP about that time.
Saw them, thought about it.
Waited.
Went back and looked again, thought about it.
Waited some more.
After about three times, something told me "BUY THOSE PRIMERS, NOW!"
I did.
The next day they were all gone.
Toward the end of the last drought, I bought S&B primers for $22/k. That's not that long ago.
I remember being pretty ticked off when primers went from $10/k to $12/k, which was a LARGE increase.
I know this doesn't help find large rifle primers, but I believe @Ian 's point to be correct. The only problem I see is that a lot of political angst seems to be prolonging the start of the end of THIS drought. I'm hoping things break loose soon.
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I wonder how much many of us will extend the shortage as we start to stock up again after the original shortage starts to ease up. I still hope to make a show and sell some stuff while prices are up. I will doubtless invest some of what I liquidate in more primers.
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RBHarter
West Central AR
I can now afford to be more selective about what and how much I stock pile .
I have a rock lock pistol and an associate that now owns the whole package for an adapter that takes gas torch striker flints . Making one's own powder isn't as big a deal as it seems unless you go all in with the straw , chicken manure , urine salt peter rendering . Most of the parts are readily available without any fuss or suspicion .
I have a rock lock pistol and an associate that now owns the whole package for an adapter that takes gas torch striker flints . Making one's own powder isn't as big a deal as it seems unless you go all in with the straw , chicken manure , urine salt peter rendering . Most of the parts are readily available without any fuss or suspicion .
358156 hp
At large, whereabouts unknown.
I've been through a lot of primer famines, and stocked up accordingly. However, my shooting has been sharply curtailed the last couple of years and I haven't needed to cast or reload since last winter. I used to reload to alleviate boredom, and am still sitting pretty well on reloaded ammo for all calibers I use. This is an abnormal situation for me, and I'd normally be as bad, or even worse off than most people.
The fact that I have consolidated a lot, and just don't get to shoot as much has made this much easier on me. At this rate, I'll never run out, but I really hope to get back to shooting more again. I feel for anyone here who is low on anything. No one here is the grasshopper in The Ant and the Grasshopper fable and if they're short, it's not for having been complacent. I'd personally have put back a LOT more if I'd had the means. I got what I could swing. No gun stores around here.
When 22 LR started coming back, I grabbed a 550 Federal Value Pack every couple months, and I don't even shoot 22s. I should I guess. I'd have paid $30 a month to take home a brick of primers, one brick at a time - over time if I could have gotten them. Shipping and the bogus "Hazmat" charge forces one to place a larger order, which is not always immediately achievable.
And....
I've heard a lot of guys cuss those da'burn small pistol primer 45 ACP cases. If I were still shooting the 45 ACP, I'd be sitting on some of that brass. I have a very mall handful of 357 Mag cases with LARGE pistol primer pockets that I save just in case. The versatility aspect is pretty valuable. If there were still 30 American (30-30 w/SRP pockets) brass available fairly cheap, I'd set back some of that too.
I actually shot the LPP 357s today after annealing the mouths just to make sure they'd still be viable. No splits, even as old as they are. Ill still buy what primers I can, but I'm getting out of the business of having ANYTHING that requires a specific primer or powder and concentrating on things that shoot well with many powders and aren't too fussy about primers.
Not gloating, just hopeful that anything I am doing might be useful to someone else in the future. I'm not sitting on tens of thousands of LPPs, I am just down to ONE handgun/cartridge which requires them (and sometimes my 30/30) and almost down to ONE rifle which requires LRPs. SPP/SRP are shared by a very few handguns/rifles, so what I have isn't spread out across many guns.
I've heard a lot of guys cuss those da'burn small pistol primer 45 ACP cases. If I were still shooting the 45 ACP, I'd be sitting on some of that brass. I have a very mall handful of 357 Mag cases with LARGE pistol primer pockets that I save just in case. The versatility aspect is pretty valuable. If there were still 30 American (30-30 w/SRP pockets) brass available fairly cheap, I'd set back some of that too.
I actually shot the LPP 357s today after annealing the mouths just to make sure they'd still be viable. No splits, even as old as they are. Ill still buy what primers I can, but I'm getting out of the business of having ANYTHING that requires a specific primer or powder and concentrating on things that shoot well with many powders and aren't too fussy about primers.
Not gloating, just hopeful that anything I am doing might be useful to someone else in the future. I'm not sitting on tens of thousands of LPPs, I am just down to ONE handgun/cartridge which requires them (and sometimes my 30/30) and almost down to ONE rifle which requires LRPs. SPP/SRP are shared by a very few handguns/rifles, so what I have isn't spread out across many guns.
fiver
Well-Known Member
unfortunately I seen some different metallic primers at Natchez the other day.
79 bucks a brick, plus the blah, blah, which is inline with midway when they had them about 2-3 weeks back.
I really can't force myself to pay 8-9-10 cents per primer when I have perfectly good 2.5-3.0 cents each ones sitting here.
[yeah,,, siigh I think I got one or part of one box of white and black 12 dollar Winchesters left]
unfortunately when things do slightly settle down some, 50-60 bucks will be where we sit until everyone goes ahead and panic buys what's there and eventually stuff finally starts gathering dust,,,, and the price goes down to the $30-35 it should be.
I will wait until then.
79 bucks a brick, plus the blah, blah, which is inline with midway when they had them about 2-3 weeks back.
I really can't force myself to pay 8-9-10 cents per primer when I have perfectly good 2.5-3.0 cents each ones sitting here.
[yeah,,, siigh I think I got one or part of one box of white and black 12 dollar Winchesters left]
unfortunately when things do slightly settle down some, 50-60 bucks will be where we sit until everyone goes ahead and panic buys what's there and eventually stuff finally starts gathering dust,,,, and the price goes down to the $30-35 it should be.
I will wait until then.
Not THAT bad here. I'll shoot something else if I have to. I won't pay $86/k yet, but I'd surely not sell mine for that either.
Scraped up some LRPs for my brother a few weeks ago. Had them ready and he texted back and told me "no, large RIFLE." That was a relief actually. I'm not swimmin' in them, and I'm not OUT, but I'm being careful with what I have left.
EDIT: I didn't SELL them to my brother. He's my BROTHER! I'll just hold this over his head someday when I REALLY need something he's got. Just like when we was kids.
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JonB
Halcyon member
All the primers at the gunshow were over $100 a brick, with the exception of one dealer who had 4 bricks of Fed 209's in raggedy old red colored boxes for $60 each. They all sold in the first hour.
Meanwhile, one mile away from the gunshow, the LGS has been getting them in sporadically and pricing them at $69 a brick.
...during the show, a friend stopped by and told me the LGS got in some SPP on friday, I asked him to go get me a brick, as I am low...I hated to pay the $76 (total with tax) + a meal at McDonalds for him, for his running there for me, but it's better than running out.
Meanwhile, one mile away from the gunshow, the LGS has been getting them in sporadically and pricing them at $69 a brick.
...during the show, a friend stopped by and told me the LGS got in some SPP on friday, I asked him to go get me a brick, as I am low...I hated to pay the $76 (total with tax) + a meal at McDonalds for him, for his running there for me, but it's better than running out.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
I was a bit harsh in a recent comment concerning primer prices, but I'm not feeling well so my usual even-keel attitude took the afternoon off. You'll be happy to know that my attitude returned just as the streetlights were coming on that evening. I am back to being my usual heretical self.
That Natchez price ($86/1K + HazMutant + shipping) is outright piracy, but if someone has need of the primers it isn't my place to criticize their decision to spend that sum. I like what Fiver posted just above. I don't think we will see the $26.50/1K I paid two years ago for WSP primers again, but $33-$35 is probably where things will bottom out at. Someday.
At present, there at 70 freighters anchored off Long Beach/San Pedro/Los Angeles Harbors, and over 100 anchored in total along West Coast ports. There are no berths open to off-load the freighters, and holding yards are filled past capacity. Rail and truck logistics aren't handling this freight for some reason. The system got clogged somehow. Our primer shortages are just on symptom of a system that is in need of immediate attention.
That Natchez price ($86/1K + HazMutant + shipping) is outright piracy, but if someone has need of the primers it isn't my place to criticize their decision to spend that sum. I like what Fiver posted just above. I don't think we will see the $26.50/1K I paid two years ago for WSP primers again, but $33-$35 is probably where things will bottom out at. Someday.
At present, there at 70 freighters anchored off Long Beach/San Pedro/Los Angeles Harbors, and over 100 anchored in total along West Coast ports. There are no berths open to off-load the freighters, and holding yards are filled past capacity. Rail and truck logistics aren't handling this freight for some reason. The system got clogged somehow. Our primer shortages are just on symptom of a system that is in need of immediate attention.