Really need LPP's Anybody been watching the availability ?
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Well............
If we dissect this and study the parts carefully, this might be true if "this stupid" is a datum from which stupidity can swing in EITHER direction.
I personally believe that 'stupidER" is a possibility, based on personally acquired empirical data (what I've seen). My interpretation of what I have been seeing over the years is that, like with prices, stupidity is subject to hysteresis - prices go off the charts and then come back down, but never back down as far as they were originally. Stupidity goes off the charts and then comes back down, but never as far as it was originally.
It's like Milton Friedman's "Invisible Hand," but this is an "Invisible RATCHET."
Petrol & Powder
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You will get NO argument from me that Stupidity is the most common element in the universe.
As for, "...stupidity is subject to hysteresis - prices go off the charts and then come back down, but never back down as far as they were originally. Stupidity goes off the charts and then comes back down, but never as far as it was originally....." - I'm not sure when adjusted for inflation that is always true.
When adjusted for inflation, prices often come down to pre-hysteria levels and sometimes even lower due to surpluses in supply and reduced demand.
As for, "...stupidity is subject to hysteresis - prices go off the charts and then come back down, but never back down as far as they were originally. Stupidity goes off the charts and then comes back down, but never as far as it was originally....." - I'm not sure when adjusted for inflation that is always true.
When adjusted for inflation, prices often come down to pre-hysteria levels and sometimes even lower due to surpluses in supply and reduced demand.
RBHarter
West Central AR
The important thing to remember is that 49% of the population is of below average IQ .
Stupid stays , ignorance can be fixed .......seems like 49% of the ignorant listen more to stupid than not .
I don't know what I paid for primers in the 90s but I know the 12 ga steel I was loading cost me $5.40/box and commercial loads were $12/box . Winchester DryLocks came down to $10/box and stayed there for about 6-7 years .
No clue what primers in SPP or LRP cost then and it didn't matter I had a rifle that wouldn't shoot any of the dozen or so tried factory loads so the man with one rifle had to find a load that would . I do know that since Wild Willie the lowest I've paid is 27.??/1000 and I think that was just about election time 2016 for a 5??? count arsenal pack of #41s that was in a box about the size of a large coffee cup . Unless you count the 5k Herters H209s I paid tagged 1968 prices .... Those were like $20 for the whole lot .
Stupid stays , ignorance can be fixed .......seems like 49% of the ignorant listen more to stupid than not .
I don't know what I paid for primers in the 90s but I know the 12 ga steel I was loading cost me $5.40/box and commercial loads were $12/box . Winchester DryLocks came down to $10/box and stayed there for about 6-7 years .
No clue what primers in SPP or LRP cost then and it didn't matter I had a rifle that wouldn't shoot any of the dozen or so tried factory loads so the man with one rifle had to find a load that would . I do know that since Wild Willie the lowest I've paid is 27.??/1000 and I think that was just about election time 2016 for a 5??? count arsenal pack of #41s that was in a box about the size of a large coffee cup . Unless you count the 5k Herters H209s I paid tagged 1968 prices .... Those were like $20 for the whole lot .
Ian
Notorious member
I started driving in '92. The newfangled "unleaded" gasoline was 89.9 cents per gallon, 100LL was $1.25 at the municipal airport and I could drive my Kharmann Ghia right to the pump for half a tank of it. A pack of Camels and a 16-ounce Dr. Pepper in a glass bottle was less than two dollars. I was making $3.60/hr doing banquet setups for the local hotel after school and weekends. Primers cost about what a gallon of gas did per sleeve, back then 100 primers seemed like a lot.
Prices have more than tripled since then. I predict a Republican in the white house in 2024 and primers will resume $39.99/1000 by mid '25.
Prices have more than tripled since then. I predict a Republican in the white house in 2024 and primers will resume $39.99/1000 by mid '25.
Petrol & Powder
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The current federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour and most inflation calculators peg 1992 dollars at about $1.95 in today's money
www.in2013dollars.com
SO - The federal mininum wage was $4.25/hour in 1992 and is now $7.25/hr and the buying power of that money has been cut almost in half.
$1 in 1992 → 2024 | Inflation Calculator
The 2.51% inflation rate means $1 in 1992 is equivalent to $2.21 today. This inflation calculator uses the official US consumer price index published by the Department of Labor.
www.in2013dollars.com
SO - The federal mininum wage was $4.25/hour in 1992 and is now $7.25/hr and the buying power of that money has been cut almost in half.
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Tomme boy
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Primers were $15-$16/1K here during the Obama years. Then Sandy hook made them to $30/K. The cheapest I got them after that was a by uy closing out a shop at $27. 22rf was $9/500 ri ghar ht before obama and now look what they are. The cheapest I seen since before last year was $21/500. And they were in stock at every store with shelves of them.
The new normal when it settles will be $60/K for primers and powder will be around $30/lb.
The new normal when it settles will be $60/K for primers and powder will be around $30/lb.
Petrol & Powder
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We'll See
JWFilips
Well-Known Member
Started driving in 1969! 28 cents per gallon for Sunoco's Flight fuel! AKA 260
That is what my Dad's Skylark Special needed ! 215 cu in Aluminum 8 Cylinder 1to12 comp ratio! ( 200 Bhp)!
Loved that car and turned it into a street rod...Holly 4 barrel covered the entire engine! 3 speed on the column
Switched it to a bang shift 3 on the floor! Could burn the tires off it ! ......on a pop clutch start!
Went through 2 sets of planet gears when my Dad decided I needed a car of my own.... He got me a GS 400 Buick which I souped up even more!
Had that through the time of the gas shortage! Traded it for a VW Super bug! Never looked back ! I have had only 4 Cy vehicles since!
That is what my Dad's Skylark Special needed ! 215 cu in Aluminum 8 Cylinder 1to12 comp ratio! ( 200 Bhp)!
Loved that car and turned it into a street rod...Holly 4 barrel covered the entire engine! 3 speed on the column
Switched it to a bang shift 3 on the floor! Could burn the tires off it ! ......on a pop clutch start!
Went through 2 sets of planet gears when my Dad decided I needed a car of my own.... He got me a GS 400 Buick which I souped up even more!
Had that through the time of the gas shortage! Traded it for a VW Super bug! Never looked back ! I have had only 4 Cy vehicles since!
Tomme boy
Well-Known Member
CCI or whoever owns all of them this spring said a min of 15%-20% increase just this year. So that means $36/1K is what they are supposed to be at. Listening to some people at the range last week bragging they are getting 556 for $20 A box is not helping. These were new gun owners. So they expect this is the normal. That is why some of these prices will not come down.
462
California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
There is the rub.
The beauty of capitalism is that it has always worked as designed, and never any differently.
And "credit" is not just for primers, but guns, cars, trucks, ATVs, homes. I don't think people live within their means any more. I know people working a production jobs, making a low wage, always grousing about child-support, taxes, prices and medical bills, but drive cars worth more than I paid for my house and buy whatever hunting/shooting gear, guns, go on vacations several times a year - getting their educations PAID FOR... What am I doing wrong here?
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
First new car I bought was a Toyota 1200 cc corolla. Never bought another 4-banger since. Drive a Ram Hemi and wife has Jeep Cherokee with turbo. If you can't afford gas, you can't afford to go anywhere. FWIW
Winelover
North Central Arkansas
I've only owned V-8's.................currently have three. First six in our household is in Cindy's 305 HP V-6 Colorado Z-71 pickup. It is pretty fast.
I've only ever had one V-8 - a BIG one in a Chrysler Newport from the mid seventies. It was like driving an island - which went fast! Never owned a V6. Had several I4s, some of which were pretty cool, like the Volvo B18Bs and Nissan NapZ 2.4L.
I'm partial to straight sixes myself. I'm not even going to try to rationalize or explain it. I just love 'em.
I'm partial to straight sixes myself. I'm not even going to try to rationalize or explain it. I just love 'em.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
In September 1996 I special ordered a Ford F150 with the 300 cid six, and it was made on the last day of production. Almost didn't get it when UPS ordered 5,000 replacement engines for future use. Straight 6s' are naturally balanced and make great torque, but have wonky dynamics over 4000 rpm without special balancers. Mostly due, I have read, from the long stroke to bore ratio which requires short connecting rods.
Worked with the guys on the 6 cylinder class land speed record Hudson 308 one year. Yep, I like the straight six layout. Modern car style design and truck horsepower requirements and emission standards don't make it a viable option any more.
Petrol & Powder
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The in-line six is an OUTSTANDING engine. One of the best layouts.
The in-line six is naturally balanced and they produce useful torque far above what you would expect from a given displacement. Some folks will incorrectly assert that a straight eight is better balanced, but it isn't true. The inline six is actually a better balanced engine, something engineers knew even in the 1920's.
I've owned or used a bunch and loved them all. They are bullet proof, reliable, durable, and smooth running.
Unfortunately, as pointed out, modern car and truck designs make the straight six difficult to incorporate into current designs. It is generally too long and too tall for modern engine compartments and low hood lines.