standard or magnum cartridges?

[RicinYakima]

Saccharin for me, as I drink ice tea, that dissolves well in cold liquids. Stevia tastes like Ivory soap to me, reminds me of my Mom washing out my mouth as a kid. Sucralose is OK in hot drinks, just don't use to much. FWIW

 

[Ian]

So God bless the hype, the Mall Ninjas, the go fast boys.

I think I must have been the only one who was fully behind the "Zombie-Max" line of Hornady ammunition nearly a decade ago. The fudds thought it was beyond stupid. I thought it was brilliant. Same with "subsonic" ammunition. Keep making fresh markets and keep production and sales going, I don't care how silly it is or if I have a use for it (AR-15 pistols and chassis rifles in 6.5mm Creedmoor come to mind), just keep up the interest and keep people involved in shooting and buying shooting stuff. If we don't, it will all fade away.

 

[L Ross]

CCI Mini-Mags packaged with Troy Landry, "Choot 'Em", probably collectible some day!

 

[L Ross]

I was on a pretty good run for about ten years only using cast bullets on deer and usually "small bores" of .30 caliber. I used a .45-70 once, mostly because I wanted to use one of my Dad's cast bullets and he wasn't a hunter, so most of his were too hard and of nose designs that I didn't feel would transfer energy well.

Got lazy a couple of years ago, didn't really have a new cast rifle worked up, looked at my old Model 70 in the rack and remembered it did well with almost a max load of 760 and 165 grain Sierra Game Kings, so got a bok of the Sierras and loaded up a few, which the rifle still did shoot very well. Holy cow, but I had forgotten how load a full up '06 is and how much it kicks! ANyway, sat on the edge of a field and had a doe present a good shot maybe 150 yards so I took it. She was on the edge of a tree line, so she made it into cover. Very destructive double lung shot, but she still went just as far as I was used to seeing with cast (granted, the cast shots were all closer) and I had to look around a while to find her.

Been using that 6.5 Ruger American the past few years here on my own small place, nowhere you could get a shot that long. It works, but I really do believe that what most people hunt deer with is overly powerful for the task, I'll just caveat that I think one needs enough bullet mass to get the job done and I won't be using .22 centerfire. They are deer, not dinosaurs. That jacketed load in the '06 just seems like a ridiculous overkill to me at the time.

Who was it that postulated deer were much like African Lions in that they both had a leg on each corner? That comment was brought about I believe by somebody, (Teddy Roosevelt), killing lions with a .30-06.

 

[462]

I appreciate the 20 to 30 year old mall ninjas, with the various stuff attached all the way round their barrels, who show up at the range. It shows me they are willing to jump through all of California's flaming hoops to be a gun owner. And when the Ninth is forced to rule that an 11 round magazine is no different than a 10 rounder, they'll be buying every 20 and 30 rounder available. Additionally, I seriously doubt they'll ever become handloaders, so they will keep the ammunition manufacturers, gun and sporting goods stores that much more busy, and me supplied with as much brass as I care to pick up.

If only they would:
1. Buy quality ammunition, rather than the prone-to-malfunction varnished, steel cased Rooskie stuff.
2. Learn how to clear their malfunctioning rifles, caused by buying and shooting prone-to-malfunction varnished, steel cased Rooskie stuff.
3. Realize that basketball size 50 yard patterns are not to brag about and take telephone pictures of.

But, despite it all, they are California gun owners and shooters. Cool, man.

If I were ever to buy an AR-type rifle, it would be chambered in something other than .223/5.56, but the cartridge would fit in a standard .223/5.56 magazine. Or, it would be a .308 AR-10.
Don't want to be thought of as a mall ninja.

Not being a hunter, I'd like to own a rifle chambered in .35 Whelen. Just because.

 

[todd]

Fake sugar .......any suggestions? Nutrasweet acts like alcohol on me , aspirtame is an immediate headache. Where branded openly anyway I guess I can't taste Splenda .......

Stevia is a good one. i had it with monk fruit but it tasted different. not bad, but it isn't for me.

i use Erythritol .

Amazon.com : erythritol sweetener granular

www.amazon.com

 

[Rushcreek]

I like the .375 H&H. My brother has a Ruger Magnum Rifle in it and it is very accurate.
And it is a blast with reduced loads.
Our late brother hunted everything here for a couple of years with a 98 Mauser .358 Norma magnum- also with tailored ammo.
The worst kicking magnums that I have shot were the 8mm RM in the 700 BDL and the Weatherby 30-378 with the brake removed.
The larger magnums up to .458 WM have more of a hard push than a rocket jab of the overbore numbers- to me at least.
The closest thing I have to a magnum is a 25-06- if you don't count the incomplete 1917 Remington sporter that was given to me....
It's been rechambered to .300 Winmag.

 

[Bret4207]

Waters thought the better flight characteristics of the .338" bullets of the same weight as .358" was a major factor.

Nyehhhh. Maybe at a long enough range, but the availability of 358 bullets seems to outweigh any SD/BC advantage IMO. Ken was pretty technical minded though, so I get it.

 

[Bret4207]

I’m a 338 WM fan have been for years. Love the caliber! But. I’m went with a 338-06 improved as well for these exact same reasons. Anything shot with the 338-06 would not complain about the difference. Mine is on a nicely sporterized 1917 Winchester that my BIL put together in Howard Lake, Minnesota in the early 60”. Love the rifle.
I have had early pre Garcia made Sako 338’s, Ruger’s, and the last 338 was a Savage 116, the Savage out shot them all, but they are all down the road now. Replaced by the 338-06 and a Winchester Featherweight in 35 Whelen.
One of the key features for me on either cartridge is the longer 30-06 neck. I like long necks for jacketed and of especially for cast. I have 300 grain NEI molds made by Walt for both the 338 and 35 caliber.
The new improved bullets out on the market really make these two calibers shine. My Whelen is about 1.5 pounds lighter, so guess which one goes into the field. The Enfield is really a dream to shoot, but it’s heavy. For some reason I seem to be taking note of that lately.
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Haven't seen a roll over comb like that in a couple decades!!! A regular time machine. You watch, it'll come back in style!

 

[Bret4207]

I have considered getting a 35 Whelen. But it won’t do anything I need doing that my 35 Remington won’t do.

That right there is the key phrase. I love my 35 Rem Marlin 336SC, but there are things my 35 Whelen '03A3 is better for. Think 358009. But if YOU are happy, then that's all that matters. To each their own!

 

[Bret4207]

I think I must have been the only one who was fully behind the "Zombie-Max" line of Hornady ammunition nearly a decade ago. The fudds thought it was beyond stupid. I thought it was brilliant. Same with "subsonic" ammunition. Keep making fresh markets and keep production and sales going, I don't care how silly it is or if I have a use for it (AR-15 pistols and chassis rifles in 6.5mm Creedmoor come to mind), just keep up the interest and keep people involved in shooting and buying shooting stuff. If we don't, it will all fade away.

If you like Zombie stuff, fine, But that subsonic stuff was horrible if you wanted something to die relatively quickly, at least in 9mm. Maybe in a 308 it's different, but the 9 stuff stunk.

 

[richhodg66]

Something chambered in .375 Ruger is on my list for the near future. Now that I'm casting and shooting the .38-55 so much, it seems like a big 'ol cartridge like that loaded down with the same bullets would give me a bolt action of reasonable size and weight with which to load down to .375 Winchester ballistics.

 

[Rockydoc]

That right there is the key phrase. I love my 35 Rem Marlin 336SC, but there are things my 35 Whelen '03A3 is better for. Think 358009. But if YOU are happy, then that's all that matters. To each their own!

Bret, you are right.
I don’t have anything larger than 100 pound Florida deer to shoot, so even a 35 Remington is close to overkill. I don’t hunt elk, bear, moose, etc. anymore. If I did 35 Whelen would likely be my choice.

 

[RBHarter]

Short action Savage. 7.62×39 bolt head purchase an appropriate barrel , you'll probably need a blank from Green Mountain , ream ream for 38-55 or 375 Win . Buy 30 Rem brass at graffs , blow it straight , and viola' bolt action 375/38-55 rimless bolt action . If needed it can be loaded to Ruger #1 levels .

 

[RBHarter]

Thanks for the suggestions Stevia sounds like a trial ahead .

 

[fiver]

Stevia is the stuff you want.
it makes a great houseplant if you have a window sill and can remember to water a plant every other day or so.
i nursed one along for a few [4-5] years and finally gave it to littlegirl when she was the only one using it.
super simple to use.
take a leaf or two crush them down in your coffee cup and pour the coffee over the top.
i'd just pull one from time to time and chew on it when i wanted something sweet.
when the stems got too long i just clipped them off and let them dry then used them in a piece of cloth like a tea bag, they would re-generate a new branch from the bottom and they'd come in waves so it was super easy to always have fresh ones.

 

[fiver]

chuckle i have that exact stock on the oldest girl's 7.7 Jap.

i also have one on a Mauser in 7 Ackley i been working on for 10 years now, just need to find a decent smith to bend the bolt and drill the receiver.

 

[Glaciers]

Haven't seen a roll over comb like that in a couple decades!!! A regular time machine. You watch, it'll come back in style!

When I rebarreled to the 338-06 I had the stock redone, which included reducing the cheek piece, was more pronounced.

 

[Michael]

Some times I have to take a breath and really examine things. I am an old stick in the mud in many ways. Much of my interest in things "rifle" were imbedded in my brain by my Uncle "Bub" who was born in 1920. My Dad had a pretty extensive collection of older books and magazine, many pre WWII. When I think of marketing, sensationalism, and the constant drum beat of new new new I find it easy to criticize the industry in all of its various iterations.

In a moment of reflection this morning, I realized that without all of what many of us consider hype and superfluidity, there would be no firearms industry save for the military/industrial complex. A decently made rifle from 1922 is just as good today for its intended purpose as it was when new. They seldom wear out, and unless otherwise damaged or destroyed still provide excellent service. The game has not evolved into super bullet resistant beings. If we all just owned one good rifle, shotgun, and handgun, the market could not possibly sustain a firearms and accessories industry.

So God bless the hype, the Mall Ninjas, the go fast boys. I think I now applaud the high demand for components that incentivize investment. The more shooters and buyers the better. More interested people and businesses to lobby the politicians and act as allies to us old timers. Hell we may even be able to hoard primers again some day.

Oh and any morning that starts with Coates Brother's shooting porn is a good morning. Pow, ting!

This pretty sums up all of the hoop la over new firearms, cartridges, and do I dare say, molds. Ian mentioned Hornady's Zombie Max line, what a stroke of genius. Yep, may sound silly, replacing the red tip for a lime green one and packaging in a snazzy eye colorful eye catching box reflective of what was socially popular at the time. It provided revenue for jobs, more product R&D, and competition for new ideas. Some folks go off about fad or niche rounds, so what, they need to look at the big picture it helps keep our passion alive. How boring would life be if we only had 22 Hornet, 30-30, 30-06, 375 H&H, 9mm, 38 Spcl, 45 Colt, and 45-70, etc? Yea, many of us suffer a bit of severe gastric reflux when we hear 6.5 and Creedmoor. Likely the same feelings some folks had close to 100 years ago when they heard the words ".270 Winchester", or the early 60's when the 22-250 was commercialized.

Whether we want to admit it or not our sport has benefited from hair brained ideas, technology, and/or marketing. Did I mention medium bore '06 based wildcats (sorry just couldn't resist).

 

[fiver]

heck those Z-Max's were accurate and a great price.
i seen 500 count boxes for like 60 bucks, that it was right near the same price as just the Sierra Jackets alone.