The Next Dark Age

[Mitty38]

Was going there, so why I stepped out.

Was looking up some stuff on early civilizations. Mesopotamia, The middle east, the pre Spanish discovery, American civilizations and the like.
Advanced civilizations and war seam to all come down to one thing. Resources. Food production by farming and herding we're the foundations of the first organized stationary societies. It was also the reason for the first wars and conflicts. Struggles over resources continue untill today.
The first written languages, were created to keep record of resources.
When resources abound then time is given to allow advancement of society. When they are in demand outweighing supply, then society breaks down.
Now we are in a time of abundance of resources. It seams we have entered a stage of hyper technology, and over abundance which can create a dependence of the system in place. This possibly leading to a crash, or reset in a society. Much the same way as the Roman Empire fell.

 

[popper]

If you believe all the scientific dating stuff, tiles of records of counting have been found in Armenia/Turkey region, date 9000BC. Some think they have found Arkadic 'writing'. Prior to that but difficult to ascertain if a 'character' or 'graphical' language. Spoken language is assumed to have started about the same time, and most languages are a derivative of and thought to originate in the same area. It is assumed people moved from that area to the east Med region. The other theory is folks moved from Fin/Latvia south after the glaciers receded. But records are scarce as the weather/soil don't retain much evidence. Interesting but not really earth shattering info to me.
If you look at US history, most of it after the Mississippian mound civilization, natives were on the coasts only - interior was pretty empty. Pretty much the same as the Pacific Island population - as fishing was a food source. Interestingly, the US natives were not very good boaters or fishers. Caught most in small streams and rarely crossed rivers.

 

[Bret4207]

History isn't "pushing a religion" which is what I understand to be verboten. We seem to be safe so far.

Has anyone else ever wondered if there are signs of other civilizations but we just don't recognize them? Or wondered what we'll find if the glaciers ever do recede far enough? Could be a lot of stuff that's just buried at the moment. Could be a deadly pathogen that will wipe us all out too! There's a comforting thought...

 

[Mitty38]

Ok I am going to tip toe around a few things, keep this non religious and as general as possible, so it is going to sound weird.

But generally I believe there were beings from another dimension, similar when in their physical form to man, living here before man existed.
That man was Created, and sheltered in a specific region. Where he grew to understanding. At that time, there was a great event.
Earth underwent a great transformation, where only man, beings interbread with man. Along with a familiar Eco system in a small area could survive. The Ice age.

Then I believe there was a 2nd great event. The great flood as portrait in a lot of ancient writings. Where The Haflings, with their remaining technology were destroyed, along with the dinosaurs.
Possible more were eliminated from an atmospheric change then actually drowned in water.

I believe there is still a broken connection between the two or three dimensions. Thus unexplained happenings.
But Basically 2 main resets.With a 3rd not far off.
Everything I have searched out to this point does not refute this, so this is where I am coming from.

And as for my tag....IF.... Big Foots do exist then....
Yes Bigfoots are inter dimensional beings, that is why we have never got one. Same with some UFO sightings
Yep I am a nut case, but it took 55 years to get this way.

 

[fiver]

a solar year could be one rotation of the galaxy around it's black hole too.
we wasn't always over here in the nice neighborhood.

 

[Tom]

I'll steer clear of the religious aspects, but it seems to me that the whole concept of time is still in play.
As I get older, time in a general sense seems to be accelerating. In a more specific sense, it slows down. (The time it takes to accomplish a task)

 

[Ian]

The hereafters slow me down a lot these days; walk through a door to grab something from another room and spend 30 seconds trying to remember what it was.

 

[Bret4207]

Ok I am going to tip toe around a few things, keep this non religious and as general as possible, so it is going to sound weird.

But generally I believe there were beings from another dimension, similar when in their physical form to man, living here before man existed.
That man was Created, and sheltered in a specific region. Where he grew to understanding. At that time, there was a great event.
Earth underwent a great transformation, where only man, beings interbread with man. Along with a familiar Eco system in a small area could survive. The Ice age.

Then I believe there was a 2nd great event. The great flood as portrait in a lot of ancient writings. Where The Haflings, with their remaining technology were destroyed, along with the dinosaurs.
Possible more were eliminated from an atmospheric change then actually drowned in water.

I believe there is still a broken connection between the two or three dimensions. Thus unexplained happenings.
But Basically 2 main resets.With a 3rd not far off.
Everything I have searched out to this point does not refute this, so this is where I am coming from.

And as for my tag....IF.... Big Foots do exist then....
Yes Bigfoots are inter dimensional beings, that is why we have never got one. Same with some UFO sightings
Yep I am a nut case, but it took 55 years to get this way.

Not worries man, being normal is highly over rated!

If you get into dimensions and time intersections and whatnot it just gets too much for me to follow. An advanced interstellar race seeding the Earth, oh yeah, I can get that. But if that did happen, I'm not sure we can comprehend the whole picture. In fact I doubt we could even begin to grasp it. I do think there is something that binds humanity together in some way, call it the soul or consciousness. There are too many people, including a few I know, that have had experiences with the "beyond" to make me think we can just discount them as nut jobs. I think there's something beyond this life, but what it is I have no real idea. Pretty sure it's not clouds and harps.

 

[Bret4207]

The hereafters slow me down a lot these days; walk through a door to grab something from another room and spend 30 seconds trying to remember what it was.

Har! And you're what? 40-ish something? Wait 20 years and you won't even remember that you went and got whatever it was that you already stuck in your pocket!

 

[JonB]

Dark Age:

I enjoy hearing/reading about what might have happened in 535 AD and the decade afterward.
while all ideas are interesting, this one intrigues me most, "the migration of Mongolian tribes towards the West"
Some info from Wikipedia:

Historic consequences​

A book written by David Keys speculates that the climate changes contributed to various developments, such as the emergence of the Plague of Justinian (541–549), the decline of the Avars, the migration of Mongolian tribes towards the West, the end of the Sassanid Empire, the collapse of the Gupta Empire, the rise of Islam, the expansion of Turkic tribes, and the fall of Teotihuacán.[15] In 2000, a 3BM Television production (for WNET and Channel Four) capitalized upon Keys' book. The documentary, under the name Catastrophe! How the World Changed, was broadcast in the US as part of PBS's Secrets of the Dead series.[37] However, Keys and Wohletz's ideas lack mainstream acceptance. Reviewing Keys' book, British archaeologist Ken Dark commented that "much of the apparent evidence presented in the book is highly debatable, based on poor sources or simply incorrect. [...] Nonetheless, both the global scope and the emphasis on the 6th century AD as a time of wide-ranging change are notable, and the book contains some obscure information which will be new to many. However, it fails to demonstrate its central thesis and does not offer a convincing explanation for the many changes discussed".[38]

The historian Andrew Breeze in a recent book (2020) argues that some King Arthur events including the Battle of Camlann are historical, happening in 537 as consequence of the famine associated with the climate change of the previous year.[39]

More detailed info:

The Global Cooling Event of the Sixth Century. Mystery No Longer?

Dr. Tim Newfield, Princeton University.

www.historicalclimatology.com

 

[fiver]

that would do it.

look how long it took for the earth to recover from the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs, it was like 10-12 years before it wasn't nearly a permanent winter.

one odd thing to think about that.
30 seconds sooner and it would have just created a tidal wave, 30 seconds later and it would have been a tidal wave on the other side of the world.
it hit right in the worst possible place it could.


anyhow, speaking of volcanoes messing with world events.
most all the plagues that Egypt suffered in the Bible was created by a volcano.

 

[Tom]

Dark Age:

I enjoy hearing/reading about what might have happened in 535 AD and the decade afterward.
while all ideas are interesting, this one intrigues me most, "the migration of Mongolian tribes towards the West"
Some info from Wikipedia:



More detailed info:

The Global Cooling Event of the Sixth Century. Mystery No Longer?

Dr. Tim Newfield, Princeton University.

www.historicalclimatology.com

Jonb, thank you for that link. While reading about the minerals found in tree rings I thought "Really, tree rings from 1500 years ago, balderdash!"
A little digging informed me that we have 5,000 year old trees alive today. Eventually, I remembered hearing about 2,000 year old trees (bristle cone pines, I think). Talk about "old growth"!
Anyway, I found the article fascinating and illuminating.

 

[Bret4207]

Funny how the science majors are adamant something happened on such and such a date in 1970 something, but 20 years later it's changed to +/- 50 or more years to be changed again 100 years some time later. "We don't know, that we don't know, what we don't know". There should be almost nothing in science that is "settled"!

 

[Ian]

There should be almost nothing in science that is "settled"!

Whaddaya mean? We all know what the best load for any mentioned gun will be, best alloy, best primer, best sighting system, whether you can shoot a gas check bullet without the check or not, etc, all this is an exact science, right?

 

[RBHarter]

The Mizpah hotel had a slab of bristle cone on the wall with pins in it at significant growth rings . If I remember correctly the WWII was only about 1/4 inch from the edge WWI was a little further in . Columbus , Mona Lisa , American Revolution , Waterloo (Nepolean) , and so on . A pin labeled the birth of Christ was about 4" from the center , the tree had probably only just dropped it's first cones . Outside on Lone Pine CA a ways ..... maybe it's Big Pine ...... Is the home of the still living Bristle cone dubbed Methuselah . I want to say 2400 and counting but 1900 + doesn't seem wrong either ......

Long ago I cut many pinion pines in beetle kill areas in the realm of 150-227 yr old . It was interesting looking at the rings . There would be a bunch sometimes 10 or more that had sometimes more dark line than light then it would spread out to 2-3 to 1 white to dark . Then at first glance there would be one that looked to be just about 3x normal but when you got close it was just a really light dark ring suggesting that winter almost didn't happen that year .

 

[fiver]

those growth rings indicate dry and wet years, that's how they can pinpoint the years exactly.

 

[Ian]

Tree dating is a whole science. I think Methuselah is around 5500 years old, an even older one has been found nearby and identified through a core sample but its exact location kept a careful secret as it is the oldest known living thing on earth. I watched a whole show on the subject once and everything from ancient timbers to living trees have been linked together into a continuous timeline going back several thousand years. Overlapping samples are carefully dated back farther and farther through the same basic regions and not only can any board be dated now, but weather patterns recorded. Neat science.

 

[Bret4207]

Whaddaya mean? We all know what the best load for any mentioned gun will be, best alloy, best primer, best sighting system, whether you can shoot a gas check bullet without the check or not, etc, all this is an exact science, right?

Yep. If only people would use Bob's Bullits Super Duper, Extra Crazy HARDCAST Bullits with the Mauve Crayola Lube we could all shoot "bug hole" groups at eleventy thousand yards! It's settled science!!!

 

[Bret4207]

I forget where I read it, but there was some American indian lore of an animal that sounded a lot like a Mastodon. Of course people weren't supposed to be here then. There isn't a way to explain some of the DNA found in ancient remains in South America that come from some area in the Russian/Finland border area either. Wish I could recall where I'd run across info like that, but it was pre-internet.

 

[JonB]

About two decades ago, during a road reconstruction project by my Buddy's veggie farm, there was a huge Norway Spruce at the driveway entrance, my buddy's family fought to save the tree, but it was just too close to the road and it was cut down. It was over a hundred years old, I don't recall exactly the age, but as we examined the rings, there was a group of about 10 tight small rings, that calculated to be during the 1930s, which were severe draught years in Central MN, as it was in much of the nation. My Grandparents had stories about the 10 yr draught and near dried up spring fed rivers and record low lake levels.

I mention this as it's interesting to read about and hear about tree ring science, but it's inspirational to see it, up close and personal.