SWISS SHOOTER
Banned
I have a bunch of Browning and Ruger SSs that all work fine w/rimless cartridges.
Uberti Stalking Rifle
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fiver
Well-Known Member
my AR''s work fine with them, and cast bullets too.
i think we are talking about something with a bit of class and some cool factor.
half the guy's i know use dumb stuff to hunt deer with just to be different.
the 30 Herret in a single shot hand gun, i have a Remington marked 8mm Lebel i take out from time to time, or the 351 wsl, a Ruger no-1 in 220 swift shows up pretty frequently, or the Remington 22-250 with a 7 twist barrel that far pre-dates the Valkerie shooting 95gr. bullets.
heck we take stuff like the 375 win, 45-70, 458 win, 450NE out prairie dogging, and the 375 is considered cheating with a small bore.
it ain't always about just having any old gun in hand to shoot something with.
i think we are talking about something with a bit of class and some cool factor.
half the guy's i know use dumb stuff to hunt deer with just to be different.
the 30 Herret in a single shot hand gun, i have a Remington marked 8mm Lebel i take out from time to time, or the 351 wsl, a Ruger no-1 in 220 swift shows up pretty frequently, or the Remington 22-250 with a 7 twist barrel that far pre-dates the Valkerie shooting 95gr. bullets.
heck we take stuff like the 375 win, 45-70, 458 win, 450NE out prairie dogging, and the 375 is considered cheating with a small bore.
it ain't always about just having any old gun in hand to shoot something with.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
You don't get it, do you? It's not about what interests you or me. It's about what appeals to someone else and that's perfectly fine. Chevy, Ford, Dodge. Ginger or Mary Ann. Jane or Marilyn or Rhonda Fleming. None of it matters except to the person paying the $$ or doing the build and that's perfectly fine.
richhodg66
Well-Known Member
"it ain't always about just having any old gun in hand to shoot something with."
Yep. Couple years ago, I got a deal on a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor and stuck a Leupold 3x9 I had lying around on it. Honestly, it would be all the hunting rifle I'd ever need, light, handy, accurate, about the perfect power level for deer, but it sure is boring (not to mention fugly as sin). I am going to do cast in it when I get around to it.
I like stuff with some character.
Yep. Couple years ago, I got a deal on a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor and stuck a Leupold 3x9 I had lying around on it. Honestly, it would be all the hunting rifle I'd ever need, light, handy, accurate, about the perfect power level for deer, but it sure is boring (not to mention fugly as sin). I am going to do cast in it when I get around to it.
I like stuff with some character.
I'm OK with "sensible," but I like a lot of cartridges the pundits and the masses think are "dead."
All the more reason to use them - the "dead" ones, I mean.
Some think the 357 Max is "dead," but it's a marvelous cartridge in my mind, and very sensible. I have an itch for the 375 Winchester too, which is by many accounts "dead."
Actually, I like the 358 Winchester, but it's a "dead" cartridge too, or at least that's what every article I've ever read about it states at the opening. Dead or nearly so.
I get the "making sense" part, especially when it comes to sourcing components ans such, but that's just no fun, at least to me. I don't go for "different" just because it's different either - there is a lot to be said about a lot of stuff that newer things have pushed aside for the sake of advertising.
All the single-shots I've owned or shot handled rimless rounds quite well, except that rimmed rounds can usually be dropped into the chamber and I usually have to push rimless rounds in (handis and Contenders). Not a HUGE issue if you like the cartridge enough or can tune the extractor to ride over the base when a rimless round drops past the extractor. Handi-rifles accommodate that tweak very well.
When I appreciate a rim the most is when the manufacturer forgets to finish the gun by not installing an EJECTOR, and the rim is easier to get a fingernail under in the heat of the moment with frozen fingers.
CWLONGSHOT
Well-Known Member
IMHO Rims belong in/on cartritages used in single shot rifles. Its just "right" to me. If ya want rimless, buy a bolt (where rimed cases falter) or a repeater designed for there use.
Much like calibers like 380/9mm/40/10/45 DO NOT belong chambered in a SA revolver. (Or DA for that matter) if ya want that caliber buy a repeater as they was designed for use in such.
CW
Much like calibers like 380/9mm/40/10/45 DO NOT belong chambered in a SA revolver. (Or DA for that matter) if ya want that caliber buy a repeater as they was designed for use in such.
CW
RBHarter
West Central AR
I did ..........it's a 1917 Smith to go with Moms 1917 Colts .
I can't tell you how much joy it brings me to hand a guy a tall boy pill bottle with 5 loaded 1917 clips inside and say " that there is a 45 ACP 30 round clip magazine " . Not because I want to bolster the delightful specimens of humanity that speak out against such things completely clueless about anything remotely close to correct nomenclature , but because somebody out there has their head exploding and they can't even use the cast in stone definition because it fits all around .
If ya gotta shuck em out one at a time anyway , the rim doesn't much matter .
If you want a 40 or 10 with a rim trim 30-30 or go 38-40 .
Trim 38/357 for assorted rimmed 9 mm .
Dead cartilages ....... The 25,30,32 Rem has gone from a quaint old thing last chambered in 1935 , last run in 1964 to "Graff has brass for that" and that other forum has a new thread about every 10 days in the last 10 years . I don't think any of them are really dead anymore .
Anybody got a 25 cal bull barrel take off ? I'd like to lop it off and make a 256 Win rimless gopher slayer to go with the equally nonexistent 18-24" barrel for a 22 mag action to become a 25 ACP carbine ......
I can't tell you how much joy it brings me to hand a guy a tall boy pill bottle with 5 loaded 1917 clips inside and say " that there is a 45 ACP 30 round clip magazine " . Not because I want to bolster the delightful specimens of humanity that speak out against such things completely clueless about anything remotely close to correct nomenclature , but because somebody out there has their head exploding and they can't even use the cast in stone definition because it fits all around .
If ya gotta shuck em out one at a time anyway , the rim doesn't much matter .
If you want a 40 or 10 with a rim trim 30-30 or go 38-40 .
Trim 38/357 for assorted rimmed 9 mm .
Dead cartilages ....... The 25,30,32 Rem has gone from a quaint old thing last chambered in 1935 , last run in 1964 to "Graff has brass for that" and that other forum has a new thread about every 10 days in the last 10 years . I don't think any of them are really dead anymore .
Anybody got a 25 cal bull barrel take off ? I'd like to lop it off and make a 256 Win rimless gopher slayer to go with the equally nonexistent 18-24" barrel for a 22 mag action to become a 25 ACP carbine ......
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
RB, you beat me to it! I was just about to mention the 17 Smiff and 45AR!
And you have a great point, there are no dead cartridges anymore. They just get lost in a sea of beige "tacticool" trash. I'll stick with the oddballs and ugly ducklings. I can appreciate them because I are one!!!!!
And you have a great point, there are no dead cartridges anymore. They just get lost in a sea of beige "tacticool" trash. I'll stick with the oddballs and ugly ducklings. I can appreciate them because I are one!!!!!
Ian
Notorious member
I dunno, a .45 ACP single-action revolver make a lot of sense from the perspective of how accurate the design tends to be and how inexpensive and available the cartridge brass is by comparison to .45 Colt. BUT....yeah, I agree mostly. Rims for revolvers, single-shots, and tubular magazines (including shotguns). Rimless for bolt actions (repeater or otherwise), semi-autos, and anything which stacks the the cartridges in a magazine.
Bret, I've been informed that the colors are "desert tan" or "flat dark earth", and my tacticool blasters are all highly offended, especially the ones which identify as "multi-caliber". The ones who would like to be a different classification but are discriminated against by the NFA and and the closing of the machine gun registry are also offended by pretty much everything. Whatever you do, don't mention how they look when wearing "high-capacity" magazines.
Bret, I've been informed that the colors are "desert tan" or "flat dark earth", and my tacticool blasters are all highly offended, especially the ones which identify as "multi-caliber". The ones who would like to be a different classification but are discriminated against by the NFA and and the closing of the machine gun registry are also offended by pretty much everything. Whatever you do, don't mention how they look when wearing "high-capacity" magazines.
CWLONGSHOT
Well-Known Member
The 45 AR is a designed REVOLVER cartridge.
Its a dandy in this regard. Yes, moon clips W/45acp make it speedy. Dosen't change the fact that it wasn't designed for revolver. The 45 AR was.
Its a dandy in this regard. Yes, moon clips W/45acp make it speedy. Dosen't change the fact that it wasn't designed for revolver. The 45 AR was.
oscarflytyer
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I (MUST) cast and reload BECAUSE most ALL of my cartridges are 'dead!' Hilarious moment at the range last week. Had a gun to shoot/inadvertently left ammo at home. My buddy pulled up and and asked, "so, what ammo do you need, 45/308/9...?" I just chuckled and said "nothing you have/shoot!" LOL! I HAD ammo for the 6.5x55/358 Win/45 Colt. Forgot the 38-55 ammo dammit! He just crossed his eyes!
I have more "dead" cartridges than I do std stuff! Including: 32L/32 WCF/44 SPC/44 WCF/45 AR/30 Herrett/357 Herrett/6.5x55/284 Win/300 Savage/32 WS/35 Rem/358 Win/43 Spanish/38-55/16 ga/28 ga/7-30 Waters/222 Rem/8x56R... prob missing a cpl. None of the above are EVER readily available on the shelf in GOOD times! IF I didn't cast/reload, I couldn't shoot 80% of what I own, no matter how much $ I had!
I AM still missing a 348 Win/6.5x54/7x57/6.5 JDJ/30-40 Krag/40-65 etc...
I have more "dead" cartridges than I do std stuff! Including: 32L/32 WCF/44 SPC/44 WCF/45 AR/30 Herrett/357 Herrett/6.5x55/284 Win/300 Savage/32 WS/35 Rem/358 Win/43 Spanish/38-55/16 ga/28 ga/7-30 Waters/222 Rem/8x56R... prob missing a cpl. None of the above are EVER readily available on the shelf in GOOD times! IF I didn't cast/reload, I couldn't shoot 80% of what I own, no matter how much $ I had!
I AM still missing a 348 Win/6.5x54/7x57/6.5 JDJ/30-40 Krag/40-65 etc...
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
If you can buy it new over the counter, I have no interest in it. Only want guns, or repro's, from before I was born. No interest in anything designed after 1975.
SWISS SHOOTER
Banned
a clip is not a magazine.But.the 30 round clip magazine ?????
a magazine is not a clip.
The M-1 has a clip.
The AR 15 has a magazine (that can be loaded from clips)
Joshua
Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
462
California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Yep, used to have one of those.
SWISS SHOOTER
Banned
So everybody has to be an idiot because whoever made that POS was ?
"A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. This speeds up the process by loading the firearm with several rounds at once, rather than one at a time ('loose rounds'). There are several types, most made of inexpensive stamped sheet metal, intended to be disposable, though they are often re-used."
A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device for a repeating firearm, either integral within the gun (internal/fixed magazine) or externally attached (detachable magazine). The magazine functions by holding several cartridges within itself and sequentially pushing each one into a position where it may be readily loaded into the barrel chamber by the firearm's moving action.
Bad enuf the media DNS about guns, surprised to see it here.
"A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. This speeds up the process by loading the firearm with several rounds at once, rather than one at a time ('loose rounds'). There are several types, most made of inexpensive stamped sheet metal, intended to be disposable, though they are often re-used."
A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device for a repeating firearm, either integral within the gun (internal/fixed magazine) or externally attached (detachable magazine). The magazine functions by holding several cartridges within itself and sequentially pushing each one into a position where it may be readily loaded into the barrel chamber by the firearm's moving action.
Bad enuf the media DNS about guns, surprised to see it here.
oscarflytyer
Well-Known Member
pretty much ditto - with rare exception