Wheel Weights vs Range Scrap

burbank.jung

Active Member
I separate My range scrape in to jacketed and cast because I know the guys shooting cast have hard cast bhn 18 commercial bullets!
I smelt separately jacketed and commercial cast once smelted I use 2 to 3 ingots of jacketed alloy to 1 commercial cast alloy!
This gives me a bhn 11-12 alloy! for rifles
I do this too. I separate hardcast bullets and add them to my pot to hopefully increase my bhn.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
And how do you know they're "hardcast"? And what does "hardcast" mean? What is the exact makeup and Bhn of "hardcast"?
 

Dusty Bannister

Well-Known Member
This "hardcast" has been discussed on many forums over the years and some will just say that it is anything harder than Lyman #2 or 15 BHN. The difficulty is whether the hardness is obtained by alloy proportions or quenching from the mold. Most just look to see if the recovered bullets show significant distortion from impact or so hard one almost would consider cleaning them up and loading them again. This is where sorting becomes a questionable practice.


I would agree with sorting out the jacketed and BP related bullets, but cast bullets will be all over the scale on content and hardness.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
It's hard cast if it contains anything other than lead and tin ......... A FB PhD told me so .

I sort generally into 4 buckets . Jackets , shot/ML , easy scratch , hard scratch . So far it's working out .
 
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Missionary

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20 years ago a fellow member of our home church who runs a truck / farm tractor Goodyear set us aside a 2 ton pallet of used truck wheel weights. From time to time he sets aside a 50 pound box of stick on wheel weights which I sort to remove the zink.
He hardly shoots anymore so the last batch of 44's we last cast was over 5 years ago.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
My brother just found and brought to me what he believes is the last of the wheel weights he and I made into ingots in the early seventies - a 30 cal ammo can-full. He also brought a "brick" about 1 1/2" thick, with interlocking edges - like old silo bricks. Not sure of the composition, but am assuming it was part of a wall for an x-ray lab or something similar. It weighs about 35 pound.

OH! I just though of a Tip-O'-th'-Day!
 

popper

Well-Known Member
Just saw the US is getting all Sb from China. Depleted the rare minerals stockpile to finance other stuff (sold the stockpile) and NO Sb mines in the US. Pb mines shut down too. US military has to buy the stuff from China and Russia. Wahoo congress at it again.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
And how do you know they're "hardcast"? And what does "hardcast" mean? What is the exact makeup and Bhn of "hardcast"?
So, there was a time when I would sort range scrap (I hand pick after a rain).
while I won't use the hardcast term, what I think are commercial cast bullets that I've recovered usually have blue lube still intact and also retain the original shape. I no longer sort my range scrap. It's amazing sometimes, when I think about some of the things I do (or have done), that are huge time wasters.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
.......It's amazing sometimes, when I think about some of the things I do (or have done), that are huge time wasters.

I STILL find it amazing that people like you and me, making comments like that, don't get run off the board.

I love this place.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
This "hardcast" has been discussed on many forums over the years and some will just say that it is anything harder than Lyman #2 or 15 BHN. The difficulty is whether the hardness is obtained by alloy proportions or quenching from the mold. Most just look to see if the recovered bullets show significant distortion from impact or so hard one almost would consider cleaning them up and loading them again. This is where sorting becomes a questionable practice.


I would agree with sorting out the jacketed and BP related bullets, but cast bullets will be all over the scale on content and hardness.
My COWW alloy runs 13-15 depending on how long it sits. It's certainly nothing like Lyman #2 and there's the problem. Lyman #2 is a specific alloy. "Hardcast" is an advertising term, nothing more. It's also a sort of cult and more people have wasted their time chasing the rabbit down the hole in cast than most anything else I can think of.
 
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Foo

Active Member
Just saw the US is getting all Sb from China. Depleted the rare minerals stockpile to finance other stuff (sold the stockpile) and NO Sb mines in the US. Pb mines shut down too. US military has to buy the stuff from China and Russia. Wahoo congress at it again.
What are they thinking? Well I guess Hunter needs some more hooker money. I don't know what Joe is gonna do since Epstein was murdered. :rofl:
 
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fiver

Well-Known Member
reading through some turn of the last century outdoor type magazines [1900-1910] i first seen the term hardcast delineated as an alloy that contained antimony.

it was in the 'ask the expert' reloading section.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Dusty, I'd argue that HardCAST is not the same composition as hardQUENCHED. You can't tell much if it's been quenched or not because when a soft but quench-hardened bullet splats, it splats almost as bad as if it were air cooled. Doesn't take much to shatter the glass toothpicks inside.
 

Dusty Bannister

Well-Known Member
Well I did say that it is hard to tell visually what the make up of a cast bullet is. And hard bullets can be made either by composition or quenching. I am not sure if you disagree with this or not. That is why I said cast bullets can be a wide range of hardness which makes me question trying to sort hard and soft cast bullet range scrap.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
When I think of a heaping full 5 gallon bucket being potentially 8 K spent bullets there is no way I am sorting them.
In the end it all averages out. I have 5 full buckets like that to melt down.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
I don’t even pick up range scrap anymore. I have enough on hand to hold me for many, many years.