Over weight for caliber

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Think you guys are talking the same thing in different words....

Sounded like it to me, but I'm a math-hack. I use formulas as short-hand cheat-sheets and rarely plug in numbers. My math-Prof friends get mad at me for things I tell my electricity students, but I'm not lyin' to 'em!

I like momentum - it's easy - it's a multiplication problem. If either factor gets bigger, the answer (product) gets proportionally bigger. If either factor gets smaller,...
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
I got to agree with Beagle especially with his first post.
In my case when I got over the high velocity passion and jacketed bullets starting in the 70’s, and it was gradual change to cast bullets. But started with handguns which was limited to 38, 357, 44SPL and 44 mag at that time. First rifle I cast for was a Winchester BB 94 in 375 when they came out in the late 70’s. 250 grain was the high end but of course I wanted heavier. So the 375-449 was suggested. This was push to the top velocity between 1700 & 1800 fps, pushed by R7, checked and lubed weight was 286 grains. It was a win all the way around as the best groups with jacketed was about 3 inches at 70 yards, 200, 250, grain Winchester and 220 Hornady reloads. But the Lyman cut that group size in half. What’s not to like heavy and accurate. I owned a tire shop at the time so lead supply was pretty good.
Well success with the first cast in a rifle did spike my interest in cast for other rifles. That’s when I first bought molds that fit my needs better from Walt at NEI.
My reason for going heavy is where I live, the shots aren’t that long except for Caribou and on a rare occasion a longer shot on a moose. But if a jacketed bullet say a Hornady 190 BTSP cruise at 2700 from a 30-06 was a good combo, then a 220308 RN from NEI at 2100 to 2200 fps just made since. I still load the H 190 interlock as it is a fine bullet. But there’s a trade off there that made since. Bullet weight versus velocity.
I’m in big critter country so I work up a heavy bullet loading for all my rifles and handguns because the need might just my just show up at the door. Haven’t needed to pass judgment on any critters for a long time which suits me just fine. So I work up a heavy first and standard more pleasant loadings secondly.
There’s a crossroads of a person’s ability to accurately handle a heavy recoiling cartridge/gun and the need for a heavy bone crunching load. The third road that sometimes enters that intersection is what a person’s desires are. Can’t account for that one.

As Brad says:
100% true. The application determines the ”right” projectile.
 

Rushcreek

Well-Known Member
I live in the part of the country where “little normal weight bullets” do whatever you need to do. That said, once I resized some Remington 140 gr .264” bullets down to .257” for my 25-06 to find out why they didn’t come that way….
And I used a 100 count box of Speer 260 gr hp to try to make my .45 auto hit harder?
Ok, I got over it long ago just like the “Gotta go 4000 fps” window I went through….
 

beagle

Active Member
I was in a LGS in NC once. The owner tried to sell a box of 100 256 grain Barnes custom jacketed bullets to me. Reckon the guy that ordered them failed to show. Sorry I passed. Didn't measure but those things looked 1 1/2" long. All I had was a .30/06. Can't imagine that combination, the recoil or what he wanted them for. Maybe .300 H& H as this was way before the .300 Win Mag and other big .30 boomers../beagle
 

Glaciers

Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Yeah Barnes made a 250 grain semi-pointed or semi-round nose original way back I’m thinking early mid 60 they were gone I believe by the late 60’s.
I’ve got some Woodliegh 240 grain designed for the 30-06.
 

Josh

Well-Known Member
I use to be a super for heavy caliber cast shooter, I've since settled on 10-30 gr over industry nominal jacket weight for my cast shooting pleasure. The only rifle I own that I don't do "nominal 168 gr jacketed" weight is with my 16" 308. That rifle lives on 130 gr Barnes TTSX's or Speer 150 gr SPBT's.

I have a bullet mould for my 30-06 that is 255 gr. It runs full bore at 2200 fps. It will shoot through a deer longways. It is also completely unnecessary and cantankerous to make work compared to a 30-180-SIL with no benefit.

It's all about what you want out of your firearm.
 
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Elpatoloco

Active Member
Well......

I stared my casting career with a 44 Magnum.
My first Mould was an RCBS 44-240-swc. Its a Gas check mould and quite frankly the best shooting slug I have found in my 5 single actions as well as my 1894.
My second Mould was an RCBS 44-250-KT that I got in trade when I swapped for another single action of the same caliber. I never could get that one to do as good as the First Mold.

The third mould was a 358429 that I purchased from the O.P. albeit on another forum....If my memory serves me correct. That Keith slug outshoots anything I have found in My single actions or Security Sixes.

Maybe you sold that one off as you couldnt get it to work. Either way, I thank you very much!

My experiences match up with the OPs predictions for the 44 Mag, everthing else ( 7 bazillion moulds) I tend to go heavier than factory for best results.

Do you recollect selling that Mould Beagle? Its either an Ideal or a Lyman. Its in storage as I casted up several thousand and lost interest in the 357s.

CW recommended a MP 358-200 for my Legends. It shoots so damn good that I am hunting data to cram it in to the 38/357 now.
Even been kicking around getting another 35 caliber long gun to shoot it in.
 
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Thumbcocker

Active Member
Somewhere around here i have a hardback book of articles from an old gun magazine. In one article the author is extolling the virtues of the .32 acp as an outdoorsman's gun. The author noted how many good .32 pistols were available since "the war". What stuck with me was his mentioning how many pistol shooters were concerned with bear attacks and gunfights. It still holds true. Go to any shooting forum and start a thread on bear attacks or gunfighting and watch the count grow. I once started a thread seeking advice on what weapon to use if I got into a gunfight with a bear. It went on for pages before they got the joke.
In my world pistols and revolvers perforate targets and critters. Many more targets than critters. I load for accuracy and am a crack head for shooting at targets at longer than average range with iron sighted handguns. It puts me in my happy place. I have a good selection of molds and love to cast and tinker to see what an individual gun likes and then shoot the snot out of it with an established load. Another gateway to my happy place. Try some different molds, see what the gun likes, and go forth and have fun.
 

Elpatoloco

Active Member
NOW YA TALKING!!!

LOVE my Turdy fives!!!
Id be one a 360 Buck master/hammer whatever its called when funds allow.....but it looks like a flop out of the gate around here. No guns or ammo.
I need another Wildcat like a hole in the head!

If I lucked into about 500 brass.....it would be a done deal.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
The Buck Hammer was a brite spot for me when I first learned of it. Im still wanting one. I want a CVA Single shot. Been looking fir an excuse to have one and I think this is it. Later this year, when I am ready, Ill have one. Might need ta buy a 357 Magnum and re chamber it and thats OK too. My buddy in Indiana has the reamer already.

CW
 

Elpatoloco

Active Member
It looks like the 360 BHMR uses the 30-30 as a parent case.
Cut down to 1.8 and opened up to .360, so brass shouldn't be an issue.
The Buck Hammer was a brite spot for me when I first learned of it. Im still wanting one. I want a CVA Single shot. Been looking fir an excuse to have one and I think this is it. Later this year, when I am ready, Ill have one. Might need ta buy a 357 Magnum and re chamber it and thats OK too. My buddy in Indiana has the reamer already.

CW
I've got the wants and not the needs. Id like a buckhammer in a levergun as well as a Ruger #1 in 475 L.

That .475, 400 grain slug hits like an axe. Likely my favorite caliber, but the 35 cals kill game better than they should in my opinion.
 

Elpatoloco

Active Member
Like big bores? Consider a 50/70.
Yes Sir. I went from the high speed low drag Magnums on deer to big bores full throttle. I am now at the point where I like Large bores and dont care for the speed. It's simply not needed with a big chunk of Lead.

My 350 Legend load lopes along at 1600ish fps with the starline brass. I developed it in Winchester brass and its a bit slow in the starline. I never considered a 35 caliber as a Big Bore, but it certainly performs like one.

I gave a buddy a box of my loads. We both shoot hundreds of feral swine a year. His son shot a buck that was facing him with that slow load. Slug stopped in the tenderloin between the back legs. Range was 79 yards. Slug was devistating.

The following morning My nephew showed up from the Big Liberal Bastion known as Austin, Communist Texas. He shot a rifle with me at the range last trip up.
Kid dropped a spike, a doe both around 65 to 69 yards and a hog at 50 in the next 3 consecutive hunts. Then we Duck hunted the rest of his time up here with me. Duck hunting is my passion. I just collect deer to eat. Kill the first legal ones that poke their head out get cut up for sausage in my kitchen.
 

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